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Second Stimulus Check For Obama 2009 Economic Stimulus Package?

Published 2/4/09 (Modified 3/9/11)
By MoneyBlueBook

Tax Cuts, Social Spending, and New Jobs - But What About Stimulus Checks?

A second economic stimulus package for 2009 is on the way and from the looks of things in the news, it appears newly minted President Barack H. Obama and his Democrat controlled House of Representatives and U.S. Senate are determined to ram the lucrative spending proposals through the legislative meat grinder no matter what, much to the chagrin of skeptical and deficit-weary Congressional Republicans.

As Congress debates the wisdom and intricate details of the current version of the 2009 economic stimulus package, it's clear that something needs to be done very soon to jumpstart and save our suffering economy before we spiral into a full blown economic depression. The unemployment rate is rising fast and everywhere you turn, there seems to be a never ending stream of unemployment and layoff news being announced everyday. The stock market has already shed more than half of its value since its peak in 2007, and billions to trillions of dollars worth of wealth have already been eliminated from the economy. Major banks and financial giants like Citibank, Bank of America, and JP Morgan Chase, once the financial pillars of our economy and the lifeblood of our credit industry, are now clinging onto U.S. government bailout money for dear life - hoping to still be in business at the end of every quarter.

With its almost limitless resources, it's clear the federal government must intervene somehow and put this broken economy and financial system back on track to prosperity. But the question is - what should be the government's role in all of this? More specially, what method should the government take to effectively jump start the economy to life again and ease the suffering on Main Street and Wall Street? Should the 2nd economic stimulus package continue to focus directly on sparking consumer spending by featuring a second round of free stimulus checks to consumers - perhaps for amounts much higher than the previous 2008 economic stimulus checks? Or should the plan this time around focus more on longer term indirect measures like job creation, infrastructure investment, and tax credits?

Current 2009 Economic Stimulus Package Focuses Less On Stimulus Checks - And More On Job Creation, Infrastructure Projects, and Tax Cuts

Before Barack Obama was elected president and during his 2008 Presidential election campaign, he supported implementing additional economic stimulus measures in 2009 - and even whispered at the rumored possibility of a second round of stimulus checks for taxpaying consumers in 2009 before tax day.

Whether a second stimulus check was a real possibility or not, the mere mention of a second round of stimulus payments and the prospect of getting more free government money certainly made my greedy ears perk up, but much of my optimism and enthusiasm were quickly dashed when Obama finally came into power. Almost immediately, he signaled a different stimulus proposal shift that favored a more multi-pronged approach of using tax cuts, tax credits, and pet projects, rather than relying on the 2008 economic stimulus check tactics of his predecessor, George W. Bush. Instead of just distributing free bailout money to the masses and hoping the funds will naturally trigger a huge surge in consumer spending activity to put the economy back on its feet again, Obama's stimulus package focuses more on middle class tax cuts and massive increases in government spending to fund various infrastructure investments, green energy projects, financial aid to states, and social education initiatives - designed to create jobs and put people back to work.

The current 2nd economic stimulus plan laid down by President Obama for 2009 is a whopping, super-sized $825 billion economic rescue package containing staggering spending initiatives and ambitious tax cuts, and sprinkled with dozens of pork-based proposals and suspect social initiatives within hundreds of pages of legislation. The current package contains $300 billion worth of aggressive construction projects designed to improve the country's���� infrastructure and create millions of new artificially generated jobs in areas like health care, renewable green energy, school upgrades and repairs, and transportation related improvements. The package also contains about $200 billion worth of state social assistance provisions designed to help keep state sponsored health and unemployment programs well funded - to offer a measure of cushion for those people who have been recently laid off due to the economic down turn. Along with the state assistance portion are other safety net type provisions to help fund and keep afloat local food stamp programs, food banks, state sponsored health care, and governmental health insurance plans for those suddenly unemployed.

The other primary feature of the current Obama economic stimulus plan is the series of tax cuts and tax credits offered to qualifying individuals and small businesses. Under the tax cut portion of the stimulus deal, small businesses suffering losses because of the economic downturn and recession would receive more favorable tax loss write off terms.

For individuals, the current 2009 economic stimulus package offers pretty generous tax cutting proposals. The plan highly favors low and middle-income working families since the idea is that these income groups are more likely to spend and invest their tax savings rather than save the money. In terms of stimulating the economy, increased consumer spending is good, and consumer saving is bad. Nicknamed the "Make Work Pay Credit" by President Obama, the proposed tax credit is supposed to reach close to 95% of workers, and benefit even working tax filers without any tax liability - typically very low income workers. Here is a basic overview of the stimulus plan's Make Work Pay Credit:

  • Middle Class Tax Credit: Under the plan, there would be a tax cut amounting to $500 a year for individuals, and $1,000 for couples. The economic stimulus would be issued in the form of a tax credit, and would be limited to those making $75,000 or less ($150,000 or less for married workers filing joint tax returns).
  • Low Income Tax Credit: For low income taxpayers, there would be an increase and expansion of the Earned Income Tax Credit to provide a refundable tax credit for low income assistance. The expansion would affect even working tax filers without any actual net tax liability - typically very low-income workers - and allow them to potentially qualify for free stimulus tax refund credits.
  • Child Tax Credit: For those who have children, a temporary increase in the child tax credit would result in larger tax refunds.

Should The 2009 Economic Stimulus Plan Be Re-Written Or Re-Packaged To Contain Major Provisions For A Second Economic Stimulus Check?

It's too bad the eventual 2009 stimulus plan probably won't contain another round of hefty stimulus check payments to ordinary consumers like the ones that were dished out last year. While the 2008 stimulus tax rebate wasn't much (only a few hundred dollars in my case), some additional government handouts in higher dollar denominations would still have been greatly appreciated by individuals like myself and put to good use. Plus, as an American consumer who embraces the virtues of capitalism, I feel I would have made a better decision for myself as to how best spend my portion of the stimulus money pursuant to what's in my own best capitalist self interest.

Overall, I think President Obama's administration is probably right in its revised efforts to focus more on job creation, offering greater tax cuts, and enhancing safety net protections to help suffering Americans survive the economic downturn for the long term. Offering greater financial assistance to struggling state unemployment programs (many on them on the verge of running out of funds), and stimulating growth with more job building projects is a proven way to stabilize the markets and improve consumer sentiment. However, I'm still a bit disappointed that the President and Congress have not explored the prospect of an enhanced second stimulus check further.

At least for now, President Obama's administration seems to have given up on the idea of using government stimulus checks en masse again to jump start the economy. Instead, Obama's advisers have indicated that they would prefer searching for viable ways to get government stimulus money into the hands of American taxpayers quickly that would not require or duplicate the tax rebate checks of last year. Apparently the $150 billion spent in 2008 in the form of stimulus payments to consumers proved to be quite an economic failure and pointless exercise of futility in terms of actually stimulating the economy to any extended degree. But perhaps the reason it didn't work properly the first time around was because too little money was given out to substantially change consumer spending habits to forcibly inject money back into the economy again (simply compare the $150 billion spent last year to the $800 billion-plus worth of spending being proposed for 2009).

Perhaps The Problem With The First Stimulus Checks In 2008 Was That They Were Too Little To Make Much Of An Impact

I have mixed feelings about the prospect of yet another around of direct stimulus checks to consumers. On one hand, I understand that there are many struggling American families getting hammered by higher living���� costs, and suffering from the ills of unemployment and layoffs. However, I'm not entirely convinced that the idea of handing out free money to families will really solve all of our economic woes and jump start the economy at its core. But yet I still wonder if perhaps we gave up on the idea of stimulus checks too early and that maybe, the concept is still workable. Maybe the amounts issued in 2008 were simply to small to change anyone's spending habits as initially intended - after all, only about $150 billion was spent in 2008, when the current 2009 economic stimulus proposal's already ballooned to a whopping $850 billion.

I know when I received my tax rebate stimulus check in early 2008, the check only amounted to a few hundred paltry dollars - not really enough for me to go on a greedy spending spree. So instead of spending it and doing my part to stimulate the economy, I ended up doing what most people probably ended up doing with their tax rebate check - putting the money in a bank and depositing it into a high yield savings account. Of course, my plans for the money would likely have been very different if the amount wasn't something low like $300, $600, or $1,200, but rather something as high as $10,000. If the stimulus check issued to me was indeed worth upwards of $10,000, I would very likely have saved a small portion of it but ended up plowing a sizable portion back into the economy by spending it on major expenditures like a new wide screen plasma TV set, new home appliances, or even a new car.

What If The Entire Economic Stimulus Bailout Package Went Towards 2nd Stimulus Check Payments? Would This Actually Stimulate The Economy?

Almost all polls among ordinary American consumers show overwhelming support for a second stimulus rebate check. After all, who would really oppose it? Who would be opposed to receiving free stimulus check money. Think the prospect of getting a second stimulus check worth as high as $10,000 as a consumer bailout is impossible? Well it's probably unlikely, but it's not out of the realm of financial or budgetary possibility, at least based on the fiscal numbers alone.

On CNN Money, a very interesting question was proposed in regards to the bank bailout and economic stimulus packages. If instead of bailing out these credit crisis-stricken banks (who probably deserve their fates due to the risky mortgage bets they greedily placed into subprime loans), we just gave all of the bailout money to taxpayers in the form of a massive consumer cash stimulus. How much would we each get if the entire current economic stimulus proposals were issued out to consumers as a second round of stimulus check payments? The second important question to ask is - would this actually stimulate the economy for the necessary extended period of time to get it going again?

To arrive at the figure, CNN Money took the total amount of the bank bailout package of $700 billion and added that to the proposed 2009 economic stimulus spending estimation at the time of $819 billion - resulting in a total bailout package of $1.519 trillion (that is quite a staggering figure). Dividing that number by 156.3 million, the total number of U.S. workers who filed federal income tax returns in 2008, that number equaled $9,718.49 per U.S. taxpayer, or roughly the equivalent of a juicy $10,000 cash bailout payment for each qualified tax payer. Now that's stimulus with oomph! With $10,000 in our pockets in the form of instant windfall economic stimulus checks, it's very likely that the tremendously high amount would be sufficient to incite a major change in spending activity than a measly $600 check ever could.���� People would probably go out and actually start stimulating the economy by buying cars, purchasing TV's, paying for college studies, and going on vacations.

As a dose of devil's advocate inspired reality though, while it's very possible that $10,000 checks in every working taxpayer's hands would probably send the economy skyrocketing, it's also possible the growth could be short lived and not actually get to the true root of our current economic problems. The massive surge in consumer spending probably won't do much to solve the lingering fundamental issues surrounding our current credit crisis, which centers around a failed banking system and a failed home mortgage lending market. But then if repairing the banks and injecting confidence back into our home mortgage and credit lending markets are our primary objectives - I'm not sure the current economic stimulus proposals by President Obama, which are focused more on tax cuts and job creation and most prominently, aggressive social spending programs - will actually accomplish those goals. At least for stimulus checks, they could be able to help alleviate some of the immediate economic suffering being felt by ordinary consumers - many of whom are fighting to stay alive, with a great deal currently resorting to desperate emergency fund measures like 0% credit card offers, balance transfers, and risky high interest payday loans.

I'm curious as to everyone's opinion on the wisdom of a second stimulus check (if it ever happened). What's your take? Would substantially higher stimulus checks of $1,000, or possibly even as high as $10,000, actually encourage you to spend the money (thereby stimulating the economy) instead of merely saving the amount or using it to pay down debt? How would your decision compare to how you actually spent your previous 2008 tax rebate stimulus check?

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392 Responses to “Second Stimulus Check For Obama 2009 Economic Stimulus Package?” 

  1. Anthony says:

    You're right, the first stimulus package was a joke, and it did absolutely nothing for the economy. The bailouts were designed to save failing companies, not to stimulate the economy. They are two completely separate issues. It's also NOT the fault of manufacturers for building homes and autos that were overpriced, it's the fault of the consumers and the finance companies for financing people that couldn't afford the payments, and for buying things that they knew they couldn't afford. It's real easy to blame big, faceless corporations, but it's time that people learned to take a little personal responsibility.

    This latest stimulus package could have been a lot better and more wisely spent, but, unfortunately, our government doesn't think with the same logic that most people do. In fact, many would argue that the government uses no logic or common sense at all.

    Don't fool yourself, we haven't seen the worst of the situation we all face right now. The way I see it, we will all be very, very fortunate to get through all of this and still end up speaking English when everything is all said and done. Chances are we'll all be speaking Chinese in the next decade or so.

    The United States of America, as it was first founded and envisioned, is gone and it will never return. The best we can do now is to try to rebuild in a different direction, because the political and economic systems in this country just plain don't work anymore. The American dream that attracted our grandparents and great-grandparents to these shores is dead. People just can't get ahead anymore because all of the politicians and Wall Street fat cats have created all of these ways to completely fleece and take advantage of all of the rest of us. It's about time we just clean house, get rid of ALL the politicians, and start over from scratch. After all, a little revolution once in a while is a very healthy thing.

  2. michael watts says:

    I know that a few bad apples can spoil the whole bunch,but no matter how you look at it the low and middle class looses.Its really hard to keep up your payments when you get layed off or your hours get cut back.Everyone wants nice things and most of them do not like loosing things they get,but face it what can you do.You say that the bailout is a separate matter ,but i feel that everything goes hand in hand.We all are hurting and that is sure,but lets try looking at it in a nother prospective.There are big companys that need our tax dollors that are bailing them out and we didn't cause thier problems alone they should have to fix thier problems without our help.I am pretty sure if they made better gas efficency cars instead of gas hogs and made cars that everyone can afford,then they would have more people that could afford the payments.When you are paying big executive big bonuses and laying the ones who built the cars off,then where does that make sence.Also its hard to make your payment when everyone raises thier prices on the cost of living and you have a family with kids ,then you are to put things in prospective,and sometimes you can't afford to make that large payment on time and when you have the ones that loan you the money won't work with you and then you don't only lose your property you get bad credit because of it.All i am saying that the money they gave them came from us and where do we get ours.We really didn't get a say on how our tax money got spent .I f you asked they could of taken that money and used it more wisely.Why is it that toyota and honda companys can make it but our other companys can't.All i am asking is to give it some thought.Building cars are made by the people for the people and then they get layed off or fired when they can't afford thier payments is that really thier faults or is it the big car companys fault for being to greedy and making cars that no one can afford.The gas prices also have a big roll in it.

  3. Anthony says:

    Everything that you stated is extremely valid, but I want to clarify that I didn't mean that the stimulus and bailouts were separate in that respect. The idea I was trying to express is that as far as their intended purposes, they are different from each other. They each, as well as many other issues and industries do tie directly into one another.

    You say that people like to buy nice things, that's true, and there's nothing wrong with that; as long as people know how to live within their means, plan for rough economic times (much easier said than done, especially these days), and are willing to part with those things (at least temporarily) when times get tough. Unfortunately, many people today are suffering because of those few people that can't take care of themselves. It's like the kid that chewed gum in class when you were in school. It only takes one guy to ruin it for everybody.

    We would all like to think that the government could take charge and fix everything in our economy, but they're all pretty much morons, and at what cost? Do we really want the feds making cars or being in charge of your home loans? It's just more aspects of our lives that the government will be overseeing. And with all the "czars" that have been appointed lately (no, I don't like that term, either) how much more of our tax dollars are being wasted? These are new government positions that come with a hefty paycheck, benefits package and usually a whole committee for each position. One could argue that you have to spend money to make money, and while that's true for a business, it has no place in the federal government.

    Were the bailouts a bad idea? Absolutely. One of the great things about a capitalist economy is that, while companies and individuals are given every opportunity to succeed, they are also afforded the same amount of opportunity to fail. That's one of the great things about how our economy is supposed to work. Essentially, you reap what you sow.

    My biggest fear (next to waking up without my penis) is that we will soon be reaping what our so-called leaders have been sowing for years. Each generation pays for the past one's mistakes, but we may be bankrupt, literally and figuratively, by the time we and our children get finished paying for these.

  4. michael watts says:

    My main concern is for my children and my childrens children.I feel that we are messing it up for them,and what will happen in the future.I probably won't be around long enough to see.I have no faith in my goverment and boy has things changed since i was young.You also are right it will get worse if the goverment takes over completely and i think thats why most people want to get thiers now .I know that if i had a choice, i rather take a chance on my own dicisions not thiers.I think that most people feel that the goverment want control and maybe with us wanting another stimulas check is really saying that we are not happy with how they spend our tax dollors.We want to give to our kids now not wait and see if our goverment plans work.You only live one life and you want it to be the best life that you can have.I feel that the people are crying out ,but it comes out in differant ways.We all want the same thing we are just going about it wrong.The president isn't the only one to blame.I feel that its the system and the law makers fault as well.I feel that washington has gotten a big head and decided that they would decide whats good for us.Why can't we have a vote on every dicision that is made.The people complain about why they didn't get this and didn't get that and maybe on some cases they are right.You can say that we are in control on who we elect,well i say when you only have a couple to pick from then you are stuck with one or the other.I heard that you say that we are sheep and in some aspects we are and the goverment plan it this way.If we decide to rebel we lose if we try to stand up and be heard we are only talking to ourselves,but really what can we do.Things in life are suppose to get better not worse.Another problem is we have a problem on sticking together and thats another way they win and the goverment knows this.We give them control on every aspect of our lives and when they drop the ball we complain.I also so believe that they masguide us and make us believe on them then they do another and that is not right. I want the money because i need the money and i want to be able to take care of things in my life and every one from what i gather want the same.We see money going here and money going there,but really how does it help everyone as a whole.We are suppose to be a powerful country and we can't even take care of our selve.There are so many lies coming out of washington its pathetic.AND YOU DON'T WANT TO GET ME STARTED ON THIER DECISIONS ON THE WAR POLICIES.I have so many thoughts on the goverment and what is wrong with it.They could use me to decide on what to do with this country.I could do better on it then they do.If you was to ask me if i am bitter,my reply would be hell yes i am bitter.I am disapointed on the way this country is going.

  5. Anthony says:

    My point exactly. One of the things the government wants us to do is behave like sheep. It's a whole control thing. I agree that we could all probably have spent the latest round of stimulus money much better ourselves, but the government doesn't want to give up that kind of power. That's also the whole reason, in my personal opinion, behind all the bipartisan politics. If you keep the people divided among themselves, then there is no possible way they can have an effective "revolution." We are being pitted against one another through political party affiliation, or race or income so that we are distracted from all the BS the feds are doing with our tax dollars. I suppose that, in effect, it's just a more subtle form of divide and conquer.

    And I whole-heartedly agree that we need to start taking care of our own countries needs first. I honestly feel for all people that are in need of food and homes and medical care, but, face it, charity should start at home. Besides, why should we expect any nation to take us seriously when we preach to them about civil rights reform or any other issue when our own system is so screwed up?

  6. jme says:

    Republican, Democrat, Socialist, Black, White, Native, Mexican, and any other nationality, or race. We are all to blame. Have you read where your tax dollars really go? $1 Billion to the sexuality of bees? Is it really necessary? Does Government cut
    back on their spending? Flights aren't cheap. They're flying all the time. To see this to
    check that. And don't mention uneccessary "vacations" with a clause that involves the job. That way, it's paid for by us. They also need fine suits to look nice in. Give me a break, all the way around! $300.00 did nothing for me. I wouldn't have noticed if they kept it. We're in trouble. All of us. Yet we, the people pay the price. I could care less if I'm given anything. It would go to pay the Education bill I aquired while in college, and I wouldn't see it, anyway. I cannot break into what I studied, because it pays less than my job now. Bankruptcy is out of my hands,because I can't afford to file. I DO NOT spend beyond my means, but I DO live paycheck to paycheck. I get by through pay-day loans. Gotta love it. My car is a 94 Ford. Rusted and falling apart constantly. I'm a single parent of 1. I make too much, but not enough, for any programs. I'm sick of the whole thing, and I don't care, anymore.

  7. Drew says:

    What I think needs to happen is that everyone who has helped build and create the "Stimulus Package" needs to take a year and cut them diown from their $200,000+ jobs and sit them in a job that earns them $24,000 a year and see how fast their lives have changed. Im sure that they will see how fast that money goes away. If this "2nd" stimulus is going to be 13 dollars every weekly pay check, that will not help at all. The only thing it will help is Washington when they answer the question of, " Is the stimulus being payed out?" and they will say yes. Sorry but that is BS.

    I remember an aritcle somewhere about how a family of 5 was having such a hard time living with an income of $500,000. After reading the article I literally had to sit there and say " Are you kidding me?". They were having a hard time paying for food because they bought a 2 million dollar condo in NY. And now we the middle class that is actually making money is starting to see that money go toward people like that. Im sorry but I shouldn't pay for other peoples problems and no one else should pay for mine. Yes I could use the money but I dug this whole myself and I know its up to me to get out of it.

    My last statement is that AIG needs to be controlled by the Treasury to make sure they pay back the $235 million that they still owe and to also stop the millions in bonuses to the Retarted Executives and CEO's. Im am litterally sick of this in the news.

  8. CEO says:

    People people…im a CEO for a huge bank (in your face!).

    Now let's talk about this stimulus package (for you common pathetic fools) for Wallstreet, Automakers & Bankers…we all agree with Mr. President Obama great plans.

    With the trillions and billions (hehe) aid we are receiving, don't you see we CEOs can afford to create HUNDREDS OF NEW JOBS for sucke…I mean hard working slav…Americans (yeah right…ill hire SOME but make sure their work is doubled, anyone complain ill just lay him/her off and hire some new fool that really needs a job).

    Those who are asking for handouts…SHAME ON YOU this world is not all about YOU & and I might add the WORLD DOESN'T REVOLVE AROUND YOU !!!

    Enough said! We the great leaders will put that stimulus money to good use and hopefully turn this economy issues around. (darn I have to fix my BUGATTI VEYRON…nevermind I better just buy a new one with my BONUS)

  9. Jen says:

    I am the first to admit that I haven't been following this as closely as I should. I am beginning grad school at a private cahtholic college this fall, and I had been getting unemployment (I know that there are some opinions, but I had to leave my job to take over guardianship for 3 kids when their mom was in hospital and it was 2 hours away, so I had no choice)

    I do not get any more unemployment and need to worry about living expenses. What is the deal with the rebate? Are we getting checks and do we have to do anything to get them??

  10. JESS says:

    CEO yea mmhhmmm sure you are..... As for DREW I agree with you and most on here actually it sucks and hope this all gets better SOON!!!

  11. Tonya says:

    I am really having a hard time with me and my two kids being a single parent . a big second stimulas check would be a blessing for me and my kids now.

  12. Al says:

    Duah, Me grand pappy going to college and makin' lots fo money was just a waste of a good fishin day. Free cars from the government, Free money, Free housing, Free Fishing, FREE, FREE, FREE. This is the american dream!

  13. ivonne soto says:

    hi, i live in puerto rico, and i like to know WHY WHY WHY the federal government sends these funds to department of the treasury in puerto rico, and not directly to the tax payers LIKE THE OTHER CHECKS THAT YOU SEND TO PUERTO RICO

  14. Donna Mitchell says:


  15. bill adams says:

    I'm a retired person who was denied my cost of leaving increase. This cost of living increase never gave me more money,because my insurance rate went up just as high as the cost of living increase. This year my insurance went up 40 dollars.
    That increase lowered my social security income...so instead of scrimping I'm starving.
    I really have to feel for some seniors that have to buy medicine every month with their soc sec money.
    President Obama said he was going to give the seniors a stimulus check of 250 dollars to help them out.
    It appears that it was ALL TALK .. I guess he's good at that.

  16. connie says:

    A larger stimulus check would be great and we all know if people have money to spend they do just that. Whether it is in clearing up back house payements or new tv it will to a large degree be spent. Until the money is in the hands of the consumers so they can purchase goods we are going to be in the same position we are in now. Putting people to work - great for those who are out of jobs. For those who were hit with higher rates and pay rate increases that were put on hold not so good. I am all for the people getting the money, after all it's their's from taxes paid for years and years, they are the ones who need the bailout. After all if the bail out had included stipulation that they had cut 25,000 off each mortgage they held - that would have bailed them out and also bailed out people facing loss of their homes. Other than that I do not see where that bailout helped anyone but the banker.

  17. Sylvia says:

    Hey did any onenotice that most of all puertoricans haven't recieved there stimulus checks. And they havefound some of them stolen. What is going to happen to those people who haven't recieve ther check... please help those in there need ofecnomical status they live in specially in the being of this year. What will the goverment do with us Puertoricans in this year too?

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  19. tye77 says:

    is this part of our refund or its comes later thats what i want to know

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