How I Got Scammed By a Seller On Alibaba
I debated about whether I should share this story, but at the end I decided that my experience might help prevent someone from falling into the same scam as I did. At the time I was young, inexperienced and financially naive. Since then, I’ve learned and improved based on my past failures and eventually went on to run a small but profitable home business by making money online with ebay, at least for a modest period of time.
It All Started With Too Much Greed
Shortly after college I decided I wanted to start a part time side business selling merchandise on eBay. But first I needed to find a wholesale supplier. After some research I decided I wanted to focus on consumer electronics such as GPS navigation devices and Apple iPods, and concluded my best bet at finding a supplier would be through a free network site like Alibaba, that helps connect sellers with buyers of goods. Little did I know at the time, but sites like Alibaba are crawling with scammers and evil doers.
I ultimately decided to focus on selling Garmin and Tom Tom branded GPS units. After a few searches, I was amazed to find numerous sellers offering brand new Garmin GPS units for very little money. The Garmin GPS model I was interested in buying in bulk retailed for more than $1200 on eBay at the time. The sellers I found on Alibaba were offering each unit for only $700 each. The asking prices were exceedingly low, but sadly I was too overcome with dollar signs in my head to realize that the offers were likely too good to be true. I essentially had blinders on and was too busy calculating all the profit I was going to make by selling these units for such high markup. Eventually I narrowed down a potential seller.
Greed Prevented Me From Recognizing the Warning Flags
When you are overcome with greed, it is hard to think clearly, even when a clearly fraudulent transaction is staring at you in the face. I should have been more aware of all the telltale signs that the seller was likely a potential scammer and a fraud. First of all, the seller provided me contact information based in Indonesia, a country like Nigeria that is notorious for being a hotbed of scammer activity. He also provided very limited company background information that could be used to verify his personal or business identity, or determine his true geographical location. The phone number he provided me did indeed work, but I should have realized that nowadays with VOIP technology, phone number locations are very easily faked. It’s easy to reside in one country and still obtain a temporary, disposable local phone number from another. Even paid identity authentication and verification services are subject to abuse and illegal manipulation as well. It’s not all that difficult for online scammers on Alibaba or any other Internet exchange service to obtain a genuine TrustPass or Alibaba Gold Membership certification using falsified identification.
Another thing that should have raised red flags was the fact that the seller offered to pay for shipping, which is an extremely unusual practice for first time wholesale purchases, especially since international shipping can be quite expensive. The seller also insisted on rushing the sale, frequently threatening to end the lucrative deal if I continued to demand more verification information and not move forward with payment. But otherwise, the scammer was extremely convincing in the way he portrayed the deal as completely legitimate. Rather than thinking that the sale was a scam, I just thought I was getting an excellent deal.
Because I was so motivated by greedy emotions, I was more fearful of losing the lucrative buy than I was of being scammed. There were so many warning signs that I simply ignored, such as the seller refusing to accept Paypal or even credit card payment. Instead, he demanded payment through bank wire transfer. If I had conducted more due diligence, I would have known that unlike Paypal or credit card transactions where my money would have been protected, bank wire transactions are permanent and irreversible once properly executed.
I Fell For the Trap – Hook, Line, and Sinker
Ultimately I sent him over $2,025.00 through bank wire transfer for 3 sample Garmin GPS units. Once he had the money, he disappeared without a trace. I attempted to contact him through the phone number he provided me, but the line had been disconnected. He never responded back to my e-mails and I never received the merchandise. My money was gone and I never recovered it.
Afterwards, I felt very stupid and ashamed, but I learned many valuable lessons as a result. I’m glad I experienced this hard knock life lesson earlier in my life when the potential stakes were lower. I thought something like this could never possibly happen to me, but it did, and I allowed my greedy emotions to get in the way of rational caution. You and I, we may think we’re very smart and that we’re so clever, but we are only human, and still susceptible to basic human emotional irrationality. Difficult to control emotions like greed, fear, and pride. So my friends, it’s important to always stay vigilant – scammers are everywhere and one day you might be in their cross hairs too.
November 13th, 2007 at 7:26 pm
Sorry to hear about your experience. Please post the scammer’s details (including bank wire details) so others who look him up through Google will find your warning.
November 13th, 2007 at 7:33 pm
The contact information might not be accurate anymore, but I did some research on the name “Deviansyah” and it appears he or his collaborators have been running similar scams across Alibaba for years. It saddens me when I hear about all the people that have fallen for his scams.
Here’s everything I have on this loser:
Name: Deviansyah K. Manoch
Company: John’s Trading Company
Telephone: 011-62-813-19033894
Fax: 011-62-21-78844901
E-mail: eh_manoch@link.net.id
Bank: Bank of Central Asia
Bank Address: Jalan Cilandak KKO II / 5
Account Name Deviansyah K. Manoch
Swift Code CENAIDJA
Beneficiary Account Number: 733-0115259
November 13th, 2007 at 11:07 pm
Wow, that’s awful! At least when people like you share their stories, the rest of us have a better chance of experiencing it only vicariously and recognizing the real thing. Thanks for sharing.
November 29th, 2007 at 8:44 am
Wow really sorry to hear, I have just dicovered Alibaba.com and really glad to hear your story, now I’m scared to use Alibaba all together but do not know who else to use …
December 29th, 2007 at 6:46 am
I just finished typing a big letter on why none of you should even attempt contacting anyone on alibaba. but it didnt post and all my typing was for nothing. DO NOT use alibaba 90% of the so called business’s on there are scammers and alibaba know this but do not care cause they get their money no matter what happens to you. They will suspend a scammers account if you spend thousands of dollars in court proving that the business was a scam. They just dont care who they make a trust pass or gold member as long as they pay for the right to rip you off. I no longer use that website and no-one else should either EVER !!! Instead contact the company directly and they will always point you in the right direction. for example want ipod’s ok goto the apple web site and apply to be a re-seller not only are their prices just as good as the scammers but you get great after sales service, warranty and you acutally get that you have paid for.
Good luck to everyone and I can just hope that all those scammers really needed that money cause they will need it if I ever meet them. Just be thankfull they live in China and are not your next door neighbour.
December 29th, 2007 at 1:50 pm
I don’t think Alibaba is rigorous enough with its issuance of Trustpass verification badges and it seems like any company (even fraudulent ones) can obtain one by simply paying the fee. How Alibaba has established itself as a large trusted site is beyond me – most of the listed companies I’ve contacted on the site are likely run by scammers according to my own BS detector.
March 31st, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Sometimes it’s confusing me, to read which one is the true or false facts. Especially a lots of blogger using to manipulate people. So my advice is, why don’t we care to our self and do more alerts. These days people could say anything on the blogger, and we don’t know exactly which one is the truth. Some rumors also said, that this is the competition among suppliers and sellers. So, guys please be aware not to carry out so far.
April 14th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
I just been scammed too. I had the very same experience. I never thought this would happen to me ever, This is crazy and I agree with th greedy thing u ignore all the redflags because of the prospective profit u would be getting. Well this is definitely a hard lesson but I learned it. Am almost sure I will never get my money back…
April 14th, 2008 at 10:45 pm
Mary,
Sorry for your financial loss. I feel your pain! It’s the worst feeling to be scammed but you live and learn. Greed is a terribly blinding thing for sure…
May 15th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
Sorry to hear about your story, but thanks for posting it here.
I work for a Taiwanese company in beauty products, and we are on the other hand also afraid of crazy customers.
Lots of customers ask us to send samples across the world, assist them in registration processes etc etc. The list for their demands is sometimes like an essay.
Anyway, our recomendation for our new customers is that they place a small order, we usually only accept payments by TT, and we usually have minimum order, but in the beginning we always want the customer to purchase a smaller amount of products, they pay, and we send the products, in this way we see that the customer is really willing to pay, and the customer will see that we are serious about our commitment when it comes to proper packaging and sending the correct products.
This is how we do, does anyone have any better advice for us? Both for our customer and our side.
May 15th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
Martin,
I think most reputable companies should start accepting credit card payments instead of only T/T wire transfers. Credit cards do a much better job of providing protection for consumers and merchants since the card issuer assumes the financial cost of any loss due to fraudulent transactions. T/T transfers are commonly associated with Western Union type scams these days. Or at the very least, more reputable companies must be willing to accept some type of escrow agreement, even when it comes to initial sample requests.
May 15th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
Ok, so how to do the credit card payments?
I originally comes from Sweden, and there its really easy doing credit card payments, but in Taiwan sooo many people are involved in fraud so its quite tricky using credit cards even for ‘easy’ purchases as tickets etc.
But we don’t give a shit how we get our money, as long as we get it, and the customer feels safe.
For TT transfers we have to give account No#, swift code and some stuff, correct?
What kind of details are needed for Credit Card payments.
May 15th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
Martin,
Well perhaps Paypal is a possible option. It allows potential international customers to link Paypal up with their bank accounts and credit cards to make online payments. Paypal provides some insurance and in the event of fraudulent transactions, Paypal covers and assumes a decent portion of the loss. This is helpful for the initial sample / test transactions used to establish credibility and trust. Thereafter wire transfers may be more appropriate.
May 18th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
Martin,
Perhaps paypal are the safe method so far. But I’ve been doing business with several Asian countries, which are not accepted paypal as payment. According to them, their country don’t have any paypal service. Then finally I just did bank transfer. It’s a risky of course, but we never know if we never tried. Not all of them are bad person, some of them are also real business person.
May 30th, 2008 at 9:21 am
I have e-mail conversation with this person right now. He send me invoice for cell phones, photocopies of his ID card ( probably, fake ), his bank coordinates and his company address ( now it is “Pacific Trading” ) which looks like CitiBank address in Jakarta but with different zip code, his phone number for conversation and asked for Western Union transactions. I have his coordinates and documents ( but some are fake, probably ).
What should I do?
June 9th, 2008 at 6:06 am
Victor,
My advice is to mess with him for amusement purposes. Please share any stories as I would love to hear about them. I personally hate scammers and would love for everyone that comes in contact with any of them to waste the scammer’s time and efforts on fruitless pursuits. I recommend asking him for tons and tons of verification information and to keep leading him on – essentially using his own scammer tactics against him.
Whatever you do however, do not send any money, Western Union checks, wire transfers, or fall for any escrow agreements no matter how credible or trustworthy his claims may seem. This Deviansyah Kurniawan Manoch fellow, or whatever his real name may be, is a very conniving and sneaky online scammer. I’m sure he’s running scam operations through Alibaba, eBay, and other sites as well. I really don’t know where he’s based or located exactly.
Beware!
June 9th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
Harry
I have been scammed 1800usd. My advice is do not use alibaba at all. I think the whole website is made of scammers. I got scammed using the following link
June 10th, 2008 at 7:52 am
It’s quite confusing me to see those all stories. But one thing I know, we are too greedy sometimes. We thought we could get so called “Special price” while the original price could be seen anywhere in our country. But why do we interested buying things over someone else from the another part of the world? Don’t you get it guys? THE BEST BUYING IS BUYING FROM YOUR OWN COUNTRY !! Other then looking for suppliers, sellers, or whatever they are.
June 10th, 2008 at 7:56 am
How can some suppliers selling some items more more cheaper then original distributors? Is it make sense if laptops selling more cheaper in other country, rather then we buy from our own country? Why don’t we buy it from original store on our country? It’s more easy, cash payment, and get the stuff right away from the cashier. So why do we still looking items from another country???
June 11th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
One thing i would like to asking, What is the validity of the whole words here? How could i know if the person written those article really got scam? Or perhaps it’s just they’re trying to cornering somebody else?
You know, internet are using for free and people could saying a lots of things in internet. How to prevent from fake information? Somebody else please answer this questions. Who’s going to responsible for all of the article written on the internet?
June 11th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
Richard,
I actually find it sort of funny your suggestion that I am somehow trying to “corner” someone with my “fake information”. All I am trying to accomplish here is warn others of what had personally happened to me in the past by one unscrupulous online scammer from Alibaba.com
No one has to listen or heed my warnings or advice, but I’m trying to do a public service warning in case the same scam attempt ever happens again to anyone else in the future. By all accounts reflected in the comments, it appears others have fell for this particular scammer’s tricks and skills of persuasion as well.
I’m hoping that those who search in Google or Yahoo for the names: Deviansyah Kurniawan Manoch or Deviansyah K. Manoch will find their way here so that they can be forewarned.
You are correct that there are plenty of fake information sources and misleading articles online – but that’s why it’s important to use your own judgment as well.
June 11th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
Richard,
I could publish here my e-mail “conversation” with so-called
Deviansyah Kurniawan Manoch. There are many signs and signals that this is scam in every document that he sent.
June 11th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
Victor,
Feel free to post your e-mail conversations with this particular scammer – perhaps the most relevant segments at least. He’s a pretty convincing guy I’ll give that to him. Of course, I was blinded by greed at the time.
June 14th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
Recently it’s not only African country which we should aware. I’ve got scammed also by French guy, called Cyril. I pay the deposit money, but he never sending my order. Anyone could help me? He’s living in French
June 14th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
Vinnie,
I highly doubt that the individual you spoke to was from France. Most established European countries and the United States have little tolerance for scam activity and would crack down. I’m 99.99% positive your scammer is probably from Eastern Europe (Romania, Ukraine), Africa (English speaking countries like Nigeria), or South East Asia (Indonesia).
Unfortunately, there is little that you can do if the scammer is actually from one of those countries. I’ve heard of people visiting those countries to confront the scammer – not a good idea though. Oftentimes the experience can prove dangerous or fatal.
June 14th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
As far as i know, there are few or even many articles about deviansyah on the GOOGLE search. These are for example:
http://www.jakartaphotoclub.com/public/deviansyah/profile.php
http://www.fotografer.net/isi/galeri/index.php?xxthn=2007&page=11016
http://www.korantempo.com/korantempo/2007/07/17/Metro/krn,20070717,55.id.html
do you think you got scammed by photographer Raymond??? Exactly !! There are few names or even hundreds of deviansyah on the GOOGLE search. Which one is the right one?? each information should be responsible. otherwise others will be a victim of wrong information. Internet could using for free. But since its Free must be responsible also
June 14th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
Richard,
My experience occurred a few years ago, but at the time I did manage to speak to him over the phone and threaten police action and criminal prosecution (empty threats obviously). I recall his voice clearly and couldn’t figure out what type of accent he had. He definitely was not American…the accent was just foreign…Indian almost. I remember him trying to avoid the conversation saying that he needed to travel to Singapore or something weird like that.
Yes I’ve Googled his name many times and have tried to figure out his identity but I can’t say for sure that one of those links is definitely him. I highly doubt he would be so dumb as to post photos and use his real name though.
Scammers…live and learn I suppose.
June 18th, 2008 at 5:17 am
Raymond,
Does this address looks like Eastern Europe (Romania, Ukraine), Africa (English speaking countries like Nigeria), or South East Asia (Indonesia) ??
77 RUE DU SERGENT BLANDAN. 54000 – Nancy – France
Also i could publish the transferred receipt here. Where the destination into one of the bank in France.
I think scammer is around the world now. Perhaps on your country too.
June 18th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
I’ve noticed that scammers tend to use actual but random European addresses – frequently they are addresses to actual post offices or hotels.
I’ve sent a few letters to listed addresses before but the letters always bounced back to me due to failure of delivery receipt.
I don’t know about everyone else, but I personally refuse to do business with anyone who is not from the United States anymore. American laws do a substantially better job of protecting consumers from scams and illegal online activities.
French and English addresses are frequently used by scammers for some unexplained reason.
June 27th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
Sorry to hear about your experience. I stumbled on your site as I was doing by due diligence about purchasing a product through a wholesaler I found on Alibaba. After reading your article as well as other discouraging posting from other people who have been scammed by sellers on Alibaba, I’ve decided not to use this wholesaler. Thanks for your post.
August 1st, 2008 at 12:16 am
I am sorry to hear about your story. I have had a similar experience that I am going through right now with a guy from iOffer.com. You should do like I did and write a review about them warning other people so they don’t get scammed. I write my reviews on Review Page (link) and View Points (link).
Best of luck in the future!
August 7th, 2008 at 2:33 am
Thanks for the sharing your valuable experience with us, cos recently I just sign up the free account with Alibaba, which I was quite skeptical in the buying and selling business transaction. I will definitely be more extra cautious in the tell-tale signs. Would you still encourage people to do business using Alibaba.com service in future based on your experience?
August 7th, 2008 at 2:38 am
Knight,
Yes, I think there are legitimate wholesale companies and suppliers on Alibaba, but like with all formerly good things, evil do-ers like the scammers and spammers out there have made it hard to separate the good from the bad.
You can still find honest companies on Alibaba, but you’ll need to thoroughly do you detective homework. Remember, legitimate companies will rarely try to force you into immediate action. Honest companies understand the inherent fraud risks of conducting business online and will usually be very willing to provide substantial verification information of their authenticity. To avoid an Alibaba scam, you’ll need to make sure you thoroughly vet the company. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is…
August 7th, 2008 at 9:21 am
Raymond,
I got your points & will remember it dearly =) I guess a lot of people out there are either not educated enough or simply blind by greediness. I hope that anyone before plunging into a online transaction is to learn through other people’s lesson & tips, so as to learn to be wiser and not fallen under a victim of its own.
Cheers,
All the best in your business!
September 9th, 2008 at 6:55 am
I fell into tha same trap loosing more than $2200.00 by bank wire transfer to a company called Xiyang trading.
Alibaba still allows them to scam any who are folish enough to deal with this company and there are many companys on Alibaba doing the same thing.
I can only hope that one day we might be included in a class action law suit against ALIBABA.
CS
September 15th, 2008 at 8:25 am
Wow…a lots of people got scammed here. How does it happened? I mean, all of this victim telling loosing $100, $1000, $2000, etc etc. Who’s gonna verified you in this forums? Ok, perhaps i will say I loose $10.000 also. Who’s gonna verified my report here? This is BS and wasting time. Created a blog and telling about loosing money.
September 15th, 2008 at 8:28 am
Charles… ALIBABA, or BABA ALI is the fucking web site. If you are a chinese, they will do whatever it takes. Do you know how much GOLD MEMBER and TRUST PASS MEMBER in Alibaba? Most of them are scammers. But allowed to publish their stupid fake products on alibaba. I think who’s running Alibaba or BABA ALI, is a skinny stupid chinese man.
September 23rd, 2008 at 5:29 am
jack ma should be shot dead. that fuck8in website is full of scammers. about 95% are scammers. and they dont give a shit!
September 28th, 2008 at 8:51 pm
I just thought I’d let everone know that Deviansyah K. Manoch is still in business and trying to scam people using the website http://www.bayubuana.350.com . I was looking to purchase some items and he sent his info for a wire transfer so i decided to do a search on this guy and this blog came up. After reading your comments i decided to do exactly what you said and I’ve been making him jump thru hoops, asking him for all this stuff, making him lower prices, asking tons of questions, changing things and generally driving him crazy. To date he thinks I’m now ordering about $33,000 worth of video game stuff and hes getting a $5,000 deposit. I think im going to keep this up for another week cancelling the deal and other stuff to drive him crazy. If you’d like his current phone number and info i’d be glad to provide it to you.
September 28th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
Buffort,
Excellent! If the site you indicated is indeed run by or anyway connected to Deviansyah K. Manoch or whatever his real name is, I’m all in favor of wasting his time and driving him crazy. Please list his real phone number, email addresses, and mailing addresses for everyone’s benefit if you wish. He changes them frequently but the information may help other’s avoid falling into this scammer’s trap.
The website you provided indeed has many similarities to my encounter with Deviansayh…for one thing, all prices included shipping as well, which is a telltale rarity in the world of retail or wholesale shipping prices. Legitimate providers almost always charge extra for shipping. This guy is just trying to make his prices extremely attractive to greedy buyers…
October 7th, 2008 at 7:47 am
Thanks for all the comments. BUSTED!!!
October 7th, 2008 at 8:27 am
Hi, Here is more info. Be carefull.
Bayu Buana [bayubuana@live.com]
Western Union payment
Receiver Name DEVIANSYAH K. MANOCH
Location Jakarta – Indonesia
Bank transfer payment
Bank Name BANK SYARIAH MANDIRI
Account Number 169 – 700 – 7357
Account holder Deviansyah K. Manoch
Swift Code BSMDIDJA
Bank address Kantor Kas Cilandak 169
October 7th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Zotyak,
Thanks for providing more banking information about this wiley Deviansyah fella. The more financial information we have been on him the more it’ll severely hinder his criminal scamming activities. Hopefully more people will find this blog website when doing their research and will be able to stay clear of him.
When I got scammed by him years ago, there wasn’t any information about him on Google. Now there is!
October 7th, 2008 at 6:32 pm
Thank God.
I am about to purchase several Nintendo Wii from Deviansyah on bayubuana website.
I researched his or her name and found he’s a scammer.
This scammer is very smooth and VERY convincing. You must be careful report him or her to both the FBI and the Indonesian Police.
I am sharing his or her details b the end of the post.
Remember guys, any GOOD trader or company will offer payments by CREDIT CARD because your credit card companies can do something when fraudulent transactions occur. NEVER USE MONEY ORDER or BANK TRANSFER. Don’t be greedy when you see special prices because as the Western Union website says, when you “special” prices, the chance is it is a scam and now I see it is true.
I have reported him or her to the FBI and the Indonesian police.
How much money did the shit get from fooling people? People lost a lot of money because of this snake.
Stop stealing people’s money; if you want money, get a job.
He even tried to convince me by attaching photographs of Nintendo Wii with a piece of paper below the console with my name on it. He created an invoice for me. He said that all prices included UPS shipping, taxes, etc (guys, UPS shipping is EXPENSIVE).
If you don’t report this snake to the cops, his scams will never stop. Please report him the police especially if you are in Indonesia so we can see him/her face punishment he deserves.
Receiver Name DEVIANSYAH K. MANOCH
Address and Location Jalan Kav. Polri Blok G 41 – 42
Jakarta – Indonesia
Jalan Kemang Raya Selatan No. 29, Jakarta Selatan – Indonesia
Tel: +62815 46179075, email: bayubuana@live.com, MSN: cowecare@hotmail.com
Web site: http://www.bayubuana.350.com
October 7th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
By the way,
you cannot really put him in jail because when you transfer money to them, by laws they have done nothing wrong because you send the money and they receive it.
The best business comes with
“Both buyer and seller sign a contract and you must check their signature based on their driver’s license or Passport”.
The contract is legal. And if you report it to the cops, he will get jailed.
Without the contract, you can do nothing. He will never get jailed.
The question is why this comes from Asia, Africa, East Europe, and immigrants from this country who live western Europe, North America, Australia, and New Zealand? because they are smart and they are living in poverty. So they are thinking how to get money easily without facing legal punishments? of course, by scamming people on the net and MONEY transfered by MONEY ORDER and BANKS TRANSFER. This way, they will never get jailed because by law they have done “nothing wrong”. (No signatures, contracts, etc).
Please be aware that some spammers change names and there are new spammers too whose names are not famous on the net and u can’t research them.
October 12th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
Congratulations on the guy who made this blog. You are the man. You have the GUTS to share this shaming story that happened to you, but you helped us very much. These people would easily fool everyone on the net so I SAY A BIG THANK you for protecting us. God bless you!
October 14th, 2008 at 2:19 am
I guess i was lucky. I got my order last week from this guy deviansyah. I purchases several psp and ps3, and got the ordered from him last week.
October 14th, 2008 at 2:20 am
just little advised to you guys. why don’t you using COD with ups or dhl? i used this method and got my ordered last week.
October 14th, 2008 at 2:33 am
Hammilton, or whatever your real name is:
Please explain to me why you are attempting to mislead readers? At the very least you ought to change the email address you post your comments with. It’s clear you are up to something…attempting to pose as different people in this blog comment section.
Note to readers: Commentator identifying himself as “Hammilton” is the same person commenting as “Allan”…I suspect he may be either Mr. Deviansyah Manoch himself or someone affiliated with the scammer. Most likely he Googled his own name and discovered that the first search result led to this warning post.
Please disregard and ignore his ridiculous comments regarding his alleged successes with COD. He appears to be attempting to spread misinformation in a vane attempt to mislead readers into falling for his scams.
October 14th, 2008 at 10:26 am
So, quite surprised with your comments Raymond. As i don’t up to anything. What would be the benefits for me?
It’s just pretty funny to see all comments here, while i had a different experienced. Since you are the owner of this stupid blog, perhaps all different names comes from your self. You just created different story and a different names.
Happy blogging Raymond.
October 14th, 2008 at 10:32 am
To me this is only BLOG. When everything said here cannot be verified. Anyone and everyone could write any comments, any ideas and any mislead information. Who’s going to verifying all of this information???? Raymond as a moderator? He might have some bad experienced with that guy deviansyah. But i don’t know with the rest of the reader here.
In some country, blogging is under strictly supervision. So anyone cannot put any mislead information or comments.
October 14th, 2008 at 10:33 am
Please read what Richard says on his comments. There are too many deviansyah when you googled. So the question is, which deviansyah are we talking about?
Richard Says:
June 14th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
October 14th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
Hammilton,
Here in the USA, we have a little thing called the 1st Amendment which provides for freedom of speech and I’m exercising my constitutionally protected right.
As for the need to verify everything, please keep in mind, this is a personal finance blog….not an authoritative college textbook. I am basing everything that I’m writing about on personal experience. As someone who has fallen for the tricks of online scammers before, I have little tolerance for those criminals out there who try to dupe unsuspecting people out of their hard earned money. I’ve learned to detect their methods and have become much more savvy of their telltale calling cards.
Whine all you want, but I plan on continuing to warn others about scammers like Deviansyah and others. I’m sure readers can discern for themselves the truth from fiction among the comments.
October 15th, 2008 at 8:49 am
Carry on Ray… get those sympathy for people here. What’s done, it’s done. That’s my philosophy. Anything done cannot be brought back to this present time.
Of course i agreed with the 1st Amendment which provides freedom of speech. But if the FREEDOM cornered someone lives by mislead information, i think it’s unresponsible freedom. and it should be stop.
Whatever happened to you, i feel sorry for that. But if we had different experienced, would it be wrong?? Perhaps you took large order with him, while i only took 2 units psp and ps3. And got the items as he promised. I don’t have a clue if i ordering 10 – 20 units. But for this trial, succeed.
Carry on with your blog Ray….good luck…
October 15th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
If i had to guess I’d say that Hammilton might just be the worm himself. I’ve exchanged more than 50 e-mails with the guy and the writing seems very similiar. Don’t be fooled by this Hammilton, what is written on this blog about him is true including the websites, msn name and phone numbers. I’ve received the exact same info from this snake including pictures and other fake sources of proof. I’ve been e-mailing him frequently and on later post i’ll share some of the funnier and stupid things this guy has done but for the time being I’ll hold onto this info so that he doesnt know that I’m messing with him. Deviansyah is very convincing but his attention to detail is lacking and all the warning signs are there if you don’t let the greed cloud your judgment. BTW Deviansyah does make a nice website and could that be because your real job is IT, Hmmmm
Remember when dealing with Scammers Walk Tall and Carry a Big Stick
October 17th, 2008 at 6:55 am
what the hells wrong with people here? Since i wrote my first blog, all of this silly people keep pointing at me. It’s all up to your comments here guys, but if we had different experienced, is it wrong?
For you Buffort, don’t you think he will know your IP address? Even you wrote different email address. Come on, please be smart.
October 17th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
Please be smart !!! Are you really trying to give me advice on being smart when you yourself need to follow your own advice. Aren’t you the one who used the same e-mail address while posting on THIS forum under 2 different names saying that you had a successful transaction with Devain. Besides in some fun deviant way i think it might be funny to have him read my comments here that I’ve been making a fool out of him for weeks now. The other funny thing is that not long after you started defending him he finally stopped e-mailing me so i guess Devain, i mean Hammilton, i mean Allan or Sybil or whatever your name will be next week finally got the hint.
October 17th, 2008 at 7:23 pm
You really dumb as your name Buffort. But go on, keep trying to make your self even more dumb. I don’t need to discuss further more for narrow and short minded like you. As i said to you, be smart.
October 17th, 2008 at 7:28 pm
Buffort, Ignore the thief. Let it say whatever it wants to say. I noticed that Ray (the blog owner) has been ignoring it for a while, too.
His / her name is a Pakistani name by the way. A Pakistani who lives in Indonesia and because it is a poor country and hard to get a job there, some people over there are thinking how to get monet fast. By Scamming of course. Stealing innocent’s people money.
Clearly the so called Hamilton is Deviansyah or whatever the shitty name is spelt given his writing style and very poor English (just like his writing style and English sent to me on email).
Karma will not go away. For every action, there is always reaction. It’s been scamming, stealing people’s money and lying for years and it will get its punishments by nature.
Things like it should die because the world is a much better place without it.
October 17th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
People will knowing when you sent him a fake email or fake inquiry. I think he is smart enough, stop response your email. You looks really dumb if you think he will eat your bates. You’re off the hook Buffort or whatever your name is.
now everybody knows, that everyone could wrote any mislead information here. As our friend Buffort did. Hellooooo….once again this is a free blog right?…. anyone could read and write just about everything without verifications. Well done. Keep on going.
1st Amendment which provides freedom of speech. Just as Raymond says. I’m out of here. CIAO…Asta La Vista.
October 18th, 2008 at 9:15 am
Hammilton,
You seem to know so much about a guy you simply purchased a few video game items from. Please let us all know how you determined how smart Devain was from his broken English e-mails. I’m also sure that you know that he was still trying to make a deal with me until about a week ago and as you can see from my original post that was AFTER i made the post. He fell for my bait hook line and sinker and i enjoyed reeling him in for weeks. In fact here is an e-mail from the scammer one week from today still asking for the PS3 business.
XXXXXX
Once again, i give you the Stock pictures of PS3 60GB, with your name on the picture. I really hope this will be enough as proof, that i have the stocks on hands.
For PS3 price:
60GB = US$ 287,00 per unit
80GB = US$ 311.00 per unit
80GB Metal Gear Solid = US$ 311.00
All available in NTSC. Original, brand new, sealed on original box.
For the other products (Wii, FIT, Mario kart, wheel), please discuss with me for the price. I could follow as long as the price is reasonable. I could compete with the other suppliers.
Thanks. I will waiting for your reply.
Regards,
Devian
Why don’t you tell them about the stock pictures of the Wii fit you sent me as proof that you had those in hand. If you’re going to scam someone at least get a picture of the right vesion they are asking for.
As far as my name being stupid on here, well feel free to tell everyone what my real name and e-mail i used when talking to you. Besides i thought the name was funny considering what i was doing to you and if you want some info go to this website and read up on the historic sheriff that was fighting crime and cracking heads.
http://www.sheriffbufordpusser.com/
October 18th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
Hello Sheriff,
To be honest, i don’t see any connections between what i wrote and what you said. From the beginning, i just shared my story, and these bunch of people including you, started to cornering me. I am Hammilton, lived in Dublin.
Once again i said to you, if you or any other member here had a bad experienced with that man, i don’t think it’s my problem and i don’t think i should care about that. What i had, is different experienced. And there’s nothing wrong with that.
I just disagreed if this free blog been used for mislead information without any legit evidenced or verified proof. It’s a long walk to jump into conclusion. And for you sheriff, you may keep what you doing there. None of your foundation or activities are my concerned.
October 18th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
Hammilton, Deviansyah, or whatever your real name is:
Why don’t you please just come clean and explain what is it that drives you to pursue scams as a way of making money? Does it ever bother you that you are hurting other people with your activities? Do you get some time of emotional rush out of it or is it purely business for you – a lucrative way of making supposedly easy money?
I ask, because while I want vengeance from my past experience as a person who was scammed, my intellectual side simply is curious about the mind of the scammer.
October 23rd, 2008 at 11:45 pm
I came across this completely at random, but became very interested as I read. I can’t say that I’ve ever had any of the experiences mentioned in this blog… but thank you very much for giving the information. I’ll certainly be more cautious with online purchases for having read this.
And about “Hammilton”… why would someone NOT directly affiliated with the said scam become so involved with a blog warning against it? If his/her noticeable lack of proficiency in writing the English language doesn’t set off a few warning bells, then the eventual fallback on infantile insults (”You really dumb as your name Buffort” made me laugh out loud) should. I find it interesting also that he/she claims all of you are lying when you talk about your experiences with Deviansyah, as your experiences cannot be verified, yet holds his/her own (undoubtedly fictional) purchase as proof that Deviansyah can be trusted.
Hammilton, Deviansyah, Allan, or whatever name you feel like going by… I think that “perhaps all different names comes from your self. You just created different story and a different names.” Also, if “In some country, blogging is under strictly supervision. So anyone cannot put any mislead information or comments,” then you are obviousely not in one of those countries. And it is clear that when you said “None of your foundation or activities are my concerned,” you were blatantly lying. You must feel very uncomfortable, having information on what you really are available to so many potential victims…
October 24th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
I think i should give Gregory an applause. For his talents in examined people. Good Job Greg. But as you said, all of the information here cannot be verified in any ways. So…Keep blogging… All of us could using different names, different email, and different articles…but perhaps came from the same person. Just like you Greg.
November 10th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
Ok, here we go. I stumbled on this page while doing a search for the Famed Mr. Manoch that you are all blogging about. As of today though, the current website for Deviansyah K. Manoch: http://www.bayubuana.350.com no longer exists. I was taken by this man for $1325 for PS3 units that I never received. He still has the same email addresses as posted in an earlier blog but after complaining to http://www.350.com I noticed today that this site has disappeared. I have email after email from him and a Miranti saying that they would ship these to me through EMS and then after numerous complaints from me stating I had not received my product Devian himself said that EMS still had my order waiting at their warehouse and that after he returned from being out of town for over a week, spending my money no doubt, that he himself would take this shipment to DHL and ship it to me. AFter I threatened to notify the U.S. Embassy in Jakarta Indonesia in regards to him committing fraud he sent me a big sob story email stating that he was for real and that I would have my product by today. I then sent him another email stating that I would report him to the FBI Internet Complaint Center and after that he disappeared. Has not answered any of my emails nor did I receive any product from this man. I also copied and pasted the information found here and sent that to him in an email also, not including any of the names of the people who posted it of course, and he again sent me an email begging for my patience and understanding and that he would ship this himself. Anyway, today the website disappeared, he is not returning emails and has once again fallen off the face of the earth until he can come up with another scam.
November 10th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
Well, well, well. Guess what. I just for giggles clicked on the website again and low and behold it is back up and running. Whatever you do, do NOT deal with this man!! He will take your money and run the other way and you will never see your order.
December 6th, 2008 at 2:45 am
Dear PPl, yes you may read all this, I too have been scammed $2600 in the past on a site called diy trade, from a foreign sounding fella based in UK, Who knows if he was in UK but that is where i sent the money too……. After that, 4 years have past now and ive continued to make a living from buying from wholesalers and manufactures. If every on listened to these stories and got put off then what do yous stand to loose, Trust me its quite possibly more then your $2000, After been hurt once, ive learnt a valuable lesson, keep an eye out for the bastards, Ask yourself this would you send your money to a company that
doesnt have an independent website, seperate from the trade platform
no landlines, just mobiles,
sends you id, straight away
threatens to withdraw from the so called lucrative deal if you dont hurry and send $$$
is selling the latest craze, for a 10th of the real price you have seen it for
Ask for western union payment
If so then you are going to get robbed, i sure as hell wouldnt now, but in the past yeah i was all for it, and nieve me got burnt and it hurt, also one thing ive noticed these scammers seem to target people buying electronics, maybe change your angle and buy crafts from the little old lady in down town shenzen
December 6th, 2008 at 2:50 am
P>S, scammers use fedex to send there victim an email, which looks like the tracking number is ok and on the way, Check closer as its probably not
December 28th, 2008 at 2:04 am
we all know that most of the people here ever had an experienced being coned or fraud. Each days and each months we read about their story. But one thing in common is they have the same thoughts about how to getting cheap, original and brand new items.
There are few things i would like to share here:
does anyone really believed that someone out there could selling items far beyond market prices??? While those items we see everyday on our local mall or electronic shops. Each shops, each stores usually almost have the same prices. Perhaps the difference only $20 – $30 between one stores to another stores. Until someone came to us with their quotation, and tell us they could selling $100 – $200 difference than the market price!!! Do you buy this kind of silly story???? How much they bought the items at the first place? how much is the profits to them? It’s impossible right?
Take a sample of the hot products such as Apple iPhone 3G. Market price at the moment are between $600 – $1.000. Have a look on the Ebay, and you will surprise that no one selling those phones with $200 – $300. It’s far beyond of the market price. Then my question is, how could someone selling Apple iPhone 3G with price tag of $200 – $300????? It could be fake phones, or perhaps they don’t even have the phones (means they are scammers). But many buyers still believe that someone could selling at very low ridiculous price. And what happened next??? They got scam!!! Hello people, what makes you believe someone could selling iphones at $200 – $300?? Of course when you got a line contract with AT&T, Verizon, Sprint they could give you price tag of US$199 for 8gb and $299 for 16gb. Or if you go to China, they will give you price $200 even $100, but it’s an Apple iPhone 3G coming from China. Some of the future on the phones are not available. It cannot be registered on
any Apple web site for product registration. And of course they don’t have any warranty. Though i have to admit, that the phones are very similar with the real Apple iPhone 3g. It looks fantastic, you hardly can’t say if it’s fake. But when the phones turn on, you will know for sure. Would you guys open your mind just a little bit? I know that each of us would like to have bigger profits on our business. We keep searching for cheapest, reliable and trustable sellers. But we have to using our sense of business. If the price far beyond the market price, we should have some
questions mark. Their price should be more expensive then the market price. As they bought it from local stores, local shops, or black market or from some individual person. But THEY NEVER BOUGHT IT FROM OFFICIAL DISTRIBUTORS!!! An official distributors will only selling the items on their official store. If someone ever claimed they could selling 100 pcs, 200 pcs, 500 pcs etc. NO WAY!!! IMPOSSIBLE!!! We just cannot entering some Apple local store and buy all their stocks!!! NO ONE DO
THAT THING!!! People usually buying items from official store maybe 2 – 5 pcs only. On my experienced I never see with my own eyes, someone have many stocks on their office or warehouse, unless they are official distributors. I’ve been to several official distributors warehouse, such as IBM, DELL, NOKIA. Of course they have a lots and lots of quantity on their warehouse, since they are official distributors for some products. But individual person???? I NEVER SEE ANY PILE OF STOCKS ON
INDIVIDUAL WAREHOUSE. If they have stocks, perhaps only 20 – 50 pcs. The other thing you need to know is, the origin of the products. When Apple iPhone first time
released, it only selling on the US. Asian, Australia, and some parts of Europe still have to wait for another few months to get it. Even Asian country until today not available at all. It’s another questions mark for us, then how could someone from Asian selling the items which not available on their country???? Well, if we think positive, maybe they bought it few pieces from abroad and selling it again. And back to my statement above, individual could only have few pieces on their warehouse. Few means 10 – 20 pieces only. That’s it.. only few pieces. and if they have it, they must selling it on the market price or above market price. If it’s too low, then it’s good to be true.
Lets think about these phenomenon. I am not telling my self as an expert, but i need to share my thoughts with you guys here. Any comments, any suggestions we could sharing here also. Perhaps there are things i missed or not correct, but i guess there’s nothing wrong to sharing our stories right? Good luck and have a nice day. Make sense and be alert on any possible business.
January 16th, 2009 at 11:10 am
WARNING!!!!….ALL SCAMMERS HAVE BAD ENGLISH WHEN THEY ARE BLOGGING!
January 22nd, 2009 at 4:06 am
I am sorry to read from you all that you have been scammed by this Mr. Deviansyah K. Manoch, but thank you all for the replies on this forum.
I also had the intentions buying 5 Apple Iphones 3G 16Gb from this guy. He could even show me serial numbers of the Iphones which could be checked over the Apple website. During e-mail conversations everything was possible and I could ring him everytime I wanted. On my question if the products are 100% original Apple he convinced me that all iphones are authentic and original Apple. He didn’t have any intention to cheat or give false numbers. Furthermore, he provides the stock pictures which took about a week ago, to indicates that he do have the stocks on hands. By doing these 2 methods, he could convinced his clients from around the world.
So I asked him to send me the proforma invoice. There was his name on and so I found him on this forum.
On my e-mail telling him that I would only do business with him on the payment condition “after receipt of the goods” I have never had any respons.
So Mr. Deviansyah K. Manoch is still in business trying to scam more people. People be aware for this guy.
His internet address is now http://www.toko.350.com
TOKO
Jalan Sultan Hassanudin No. 45A
Tanggerang – Jakarta
Tel: +62857 81759918
http://www.toko.350.com
Bank details:
Bank Name PANIN BANK
Account Number 083 – 2 – 006077
Account Holder Deviansyah K. Manoch
Swift Code PINBIDJA
Bank Address Cilandak KKO
Good luck to everybody.
January 25th, 2009 at 8:31 am
COMMENT No. 1:
he could even show me serial numbers of the Iphones which could be checked over the Apple website. During e-mail conversations everything was possible and I could ring him everytime I wanted. On my question if the products are 100% original Apple he convinced me that all iphones are authentic and original Apple. He didn’t have any intention to cheat or give false numbers. Furthermore, he provides the stock pictures which took about a week ago, to indicates that he do have the stocks on hands.
It’s quite funny, if he’s doing scam, then how does he provides all of the information and proof?
COMMENT No. 2
ALL SCAMMERS HAVE BAD ENGLISH WHEN THEY ARE BLOGGING!
Does your statement includes to people from France, Germany, Holland, China, or any other parts of the world when they cannot speak English properly??? Hmm.. you must be from country called USA. I am not surprising then…. so HAPPY BLOGGING… WITH AMERICAN WAY….
January 25th, 2009 at 8:34 am
I think people here are too many talking about BS… where none of your stories are legal… it’s all based on opinions and can’t be trust for validation… So guys, HAPPY BLOGGING… That’s blogging it’s all about… when we could say about anything and about anyone…
January 26th, 2009 at 10:51 am
I am so glad to have found this blog. I was deciding to do business with an individual and alway to all kinds of searching to make sure that they have not scammed others. I did a google search on the company name I was given and nothing come up. Then I did a search on the email and I found this website. Thank you. He found me on Ecplaza. I also try and warn as many people as I can to check on the company and person prior to doing business. I always search for there website, email, business name, etc and put scam behind it. The information he used in his email to me is as follows:
From: cowecare@hotmail.com
To: allbrandsforless@hotmail.com
Subject: Apple 3G ECPLAZA
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 07:34:48 +0000
Good Afternoon,
Here is our offer for Apple iPhone 3G:
Price for Apple iPhone 3G
8gb = US$350
16gb = US$450
Firmware 2.0
Minimum order = 5 pcs
Ordering more than 5 pcs, i could give you 40% discount
Minimum order = 5 pcs
Delivery = by UPS or FEDEX
Leads time = 2 – 3 business days
Price including with shipping, custom duty and taxes. Attached below is the stock pictures with my MSN ID and few serial number, where you could checking the authenticity.
You may checking our website also at http://www.sentra.350.com
Thanks for your attention. Looking forward hearing from you soon.
Regards,
Devian
January 30th, 2009 at 8:45 am
I got cheated $799.95 by http://www.guccishop.net
I was paid to them for 5 pcs blackberry 7750 for USD159.99 but they never shipping my order.
BE AWARE http://www.guccishop.net PURE SCAMS… GOOD WEBSITE, BUT PURE SCAMS
January 30th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
Hello.
Guys did you made a deal with Ali Abdul from Indonesia. He sells iphones and modern computer components like gtx280, his web-sait: asahiglobal.e-basic.net.
Accept only wire transfer:
Account Name : Ali Abdullah
Account Number : 115 00 0513691 8
Bank Name : Mandiri Bank
Bank Swift Code : BEIIIDJA
Bank Country : Indonesia
cell phone: +622291109134
Streer address: Tarum Barat 34 Karawang Barat, Banten, Jakarta, Indonesia
what do you think can I trust him?
Thank you.
Regards,
Oleg
January 30th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
Oleg,
Apologies to everyone who lives in South East Asia, but I don’t trust anyone who is located in Indonesia in terms of conducting online business transactions. It’s not a racism matter, but a self protectionist dose of financial common sense.
Extreme caution must be exercised when doing online business with anyone from that region of the world. Unfortunately such countries have very lax criminal fraud enforcement and weak consumer protection laws that make it all too easy to get swindled by someone from a place like Indonesia. Perhaps one day the situation will improve, but until then, for your own sake, I’d advise you to stay clear.
Remember, everyone, if it looks too good to be true, it probably is.
January 30th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
Thanks for advice Raymond.
I would like to order iphones 3g and smth from little list below:
Nvidia gtx260
Nvidia gtx280
Nvidia gtx295
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 2.83GHz 1333MHz 12MB CPU
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9650 3.0GHz 12MB L2 Cache
could someone or you Raymond recommend me a trusted seller with reasonable prices?
regards,
Oleg
January 30th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
I think White is offended by my comment above. White, why would you purchase 5 Blackberry 7750’s from me when you can get them for so much cheaper? I have not sold even one because I don’t have enough profit to list it for less. If you purchased from me, you would have paid either by Paypal, money order, or check. If you did not receive your order, paypal would have put a dispute on it and you would have received the money back unless I could prove you received it. If you would have paid via check or money order, you could procecute me for mail fraud and government fraud. I don’t mess around with that. Here in the US, they will come after you for commiting fraudulant transactions. I have never scammed anyone at http://www.guccishop.net. I only accept secure transactions.
February 1st, 2009 at 12:55 pm
http://www.guccishop.net. BEWARE IT’S CHEATED WEBSITE !! HE TOOK MY $1.900 WITHOUT SHIPPING ANY GOODS. he was refused when i would like to use paypal. he’s asking wire transfer.
DON’T BUY ANYTHING FROM http://www.guccishop.net. HIS NAME IS MARCO !!!! SOMETIMES HE’S USING NAME AS SHARON, SHIRLEY OR DANIEL. HIS EMAIL ADDRESS allbrandsforless@hotmail.com (FREE HOTMAIL ACCOUNT).
MARCO, are you trying to defend your self????? SENT MY MONEY BACK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 12th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
If anyone does a search on my company name they will only find links where I have searched for genuine legitimate items. If I took that much time searching for items, why would I scam people. I try and help others from being scammed and by doing so, my company name is brought down. I have a company email address at sthompson@guccishop.net. I use allbrandsforless@hotmail.com when searching for items for my website. My name is Sharon, I am the owner of this company and Marco is my significant other. I don’t know who Shirley and Daniel are. I offer credit card payments, paypal, google, check or money order. My company is registered in the US and I have a tax id number. Please email me with any questions at either email address. Thank you for your time.
February 12th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
Sharon,
I’m not familiar with the specifics of your case and the scam allegations being levied against your site by disgruntled customers…but your website looks VERY suspicious based on my own personal “scam detector”.
If you are running a legitimate company, why not offer a more substantial contact information listing beyond a few sentences on the site? Your site offers no real way for people to contact you in the way of phone numbers and mailing address. Why not be more transparent and avoid the suspicions of impropriety created by not offering more identity verification?
February 12th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
Raymond, your advice was noted and corrected. Please review and give me any additional advice you can offer to help me achieve a better image. The discruntled person is not a customer but simply the company I ticked off earlier in this post. I guess it is pay back for listing there information.
February 12th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
Sharon,
I am actually quite impressed. I did not expect you to respond so quickly with updated, apparently proper contact details. Frankly you did do fit the stereotypical mold of a scammer, at least on certain aspects. I know it perhaps is a bit too general to base suspicions on mere assumptions, but your proper English lended to your credibility. While it’s a broad generalization, many foreign scammers from places like Nigeria and Indonesia have terrible, almost comically bad English grammar. Oftentimes as soon as they start writing, their lack of proper English communication skills is a big tip off to a possible scam in the works.
Those who are running legitimate websites should not be afraid of divulging the appropriate business identification details. Only scam artists hide in the dark and are afraid of the light.
February 13th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
A new forum is now available – AlibabaScam.com – and it’s for everyone to post their experiences, tell people about fraudulent sellers, fake gold sellers, and raise awareness about Alibaba Scams. Please check it out, post your story, and let’s raise awareness so others don’t fall into the same Alibaba traps of alleged ‘gold’ sellers.
February 19th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
I’ve been scammed through Alibaba, but not in the same way. This guy turned out to be a con man from Washington DC. Tikiri Mayu Bogollagama had a company called Ceylon Hotel Development Group and claimed that he sold high-end hotel furniture for the Ritz Carlton and Four Seasons, etc. I wanted to serve a furniture reseller to high end resorts in the Caribbean. In all, lost thousands of dollars to this con artist. He had me wiring money to accounts in Sri Lanka (where the manufacturing plant and main office was, he claimed). I never received anything. I have been calling him, 2.0.2.2.5.5.8.5.6.4 and still nothing after 4 months. He always sounded so friendly, almost effeminate. I thought I could trust him, but turns out that he’s a master Ponzi Schemer. Go figure. Alibaba sucks.
February 25th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
hi my friends! as it’s become an everyone’s concern i join too on the search of information and the details about the scamming skills that this piece of turd called devian in order to cooperate with future devian’s victims i wanna tell you that i added him to my msn just to study his tactics and thus i want to post my conversation on msn:
Never give out your password or credit card number in an instant message conversation.
ladron says:
hello…
ladron says:
i just added you on my MSN…. may i know you?
hebomber@hotmail.com says:
hi my name is luis
ladron says:
Hi Luis…. how may i help you?
hebomber@hotmail.com says:
may i know your name
ladron says:
dev
hebomber@hotmail.com says:
where you from
ladron says:
Jakarta
ladron says:
how do you get my MSN?
ladron says:
what are you looking for Luis?
hebomber@hotmail.com says:
what products do you sell?
ladron says:
you may visiting my website at http://www.plasa.350.com
ladron says:
are you there Luis?
hebomber@hotmail.com says:
yes
ladron says:
all of our supplies are original
ladron says:
by the way, where you from Luis?
hebomber@hotmail.com says:
venezuela
ladron says:
okay
ladron says:
Caracas?
hebomber@hotmail.com says:
yes
ladron says:
so, any items you’re interesting ?
ladron says:
our HOT items now is the Apple iPhone 3G
ladron says:
feel free to sent me email if you have questions….. 350plasa@plasa.com
ladron says:
Luis…
hebomber@hotmail.com says:
what country are you from?
ladron says:
Indonesia
ladron says:
check our website for address
ladron says:
http://www.plasa.350.com/order.htm
ladron says:
any questions?
ladron says:
sent me email if you have questions… i need to go meeting now..
hebomber@hotmail.com says:
i Wnt to purchase 50000 usd in merchandise
ladron says:
on what items?
hebomber@hotmail.com says:
iphone
ladron says:
how many pieces?
ladron says:
hello?
ladron says:
what version are you looking for ? 8gb? 16gb? and how many pieces?
hebomber@hotmail.com says:
how many can i buy with 50000 8g
hebomber@hotmail.com says:
5000 usd
hebomber@hotmail.com says:
50000 usd
ladron says:
Price = 8gb = USD433 per pcs and 16gb = USD 511 per pcs
ladron says:
ordering more than 20 pcs, i will give you 40% discount
ladron says:
price including shipping with DHL, insurance, custom duty and tax
ladron says:
delivery = 2 – 3 days with DHL
ladron says:
Luis… are you there?
hebomber@hotmail.com says:
yes can you receive the money in cash
ladron says:
you mean transfer with money gram?
hebomber@hotmail.com says:
no in person
ladron says:
Fly and buy?
hebomber@hotmail.com says:
no
ladron says:
please explain to me
hebomber@hotmail.com says:
what city do you have the goods
ladron says:
Jakarta… on my warehouse
ladron says:
you can fly to come here
hebomber@hotmail.com says:
no i have friend in indonesia
ladron says:
okay… and?
hebomber@hotmail.com says:
i give the money to him and he meet you personally you deliver the goods to him and he deliver the money to you
ladron says:
our method of payment are with bank transfer or money gram
ladron says:
at the moment, i only have 5 pcs at stocks
ladron says:
for another quantity, i have to ordering from USA
ladron says:
my supplier in USA
hebomber@hotmail.com says:
al right but understand that it’s 50000 usd i want to invest in usa
hebomber@hotmail.com says:
in goods
hebomber@hotmail.com says:
sorry
ladron says:
i know… but we can starting with TRIAL ORDER if you want it
ladron says:
trial order 10 – 20 pcs… just to checking everything
hebomber@hotmail.com says:
i have to send someone to see your face to make sure who are in case that you scam me..
ladron says:
no problem… you can come here
ladron says:
fly and buy
ladron says:
we don’t dealing with agent…. you may come here for your self
ladron says:
okay… sent me email if you really serious… i have to go meeting now…
so be aware of this scumbag who doesn’t deserve to live.. i’ll keep on him and and may i will send someone to wherever lives in order to at las whack him up and blow his fucking head off!!!! sincerely yours the scammer terminator
February 25th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
If you want to start a pool and round up funds to hire an assassin to hunt this Deviansyah K. Manoch down and put him out of his misery, I’m all for it. Maybe I should start a “kill Deviansyah” Paypal fund on this blog or put out a bounty for his head.
I’m only half kidding….
February 28th, 2009 at 12:52 am
Wow…. someone killing somebody here…. Is that bad Raymond? How much can you afford to pay for bounty hunter? I am all for it.
February 28th, 2009 at 12:56 am
And it seems Raymond started to gathering funds…. Do you Raymond? I think all of us should give Raymond an applause. He finally got many participants on this blog, and many sympathy for his stupid blog. Once again, congrats to Raymond. you should starting to make your own blog…. Happy blogging… let me know if you needs extra funds for your foundation….I’m in…
February 28th, 2009 at 10:23 am
Chill out O’neill….if that is your real name…
Obviously I was just saying it in jest to vent my frustration at this Deviansyah loser, who has somehow remained ever elusive and able to continuously perpetuate his fraudulent crimes against countless victims. But if he were to somehow say…mysteriously get run over by a truck…or get hunted down by one of his vigilante victims….I wouldn’t get too terribly upset.
March 2nd, 2009 at 11:54 am
LOL… Raymond my man… You’re pretty slick.. aren’t you? You have a great ideas on how to gathered sympathy and emphasized so called “countless victims”… and recently you had an intention to gathering “countless victims” fund to get rid off this person deviansyah. Hmmm….is it true? How does the thing works?? I mean after you got the “countless victims” money.
I Fell For the Trap – Hook, Line, and Sinker is that what you said???? Hmmm…. it’s all because of your greed. And not using your common sense at all.
Well Raymond my man, keep going to get sympathy. Perhaps someday you got your own rewards. LOL… if you can get any of course… Ta..ta.. CIAO my man…
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:04 pm
To All greedy people. Open your eyes and using your common sense. THERE ARE NO CHEAP, ORIGINAL And BIG DISCOUNT ITEMS!! THERE ARE NO ITEMS SELLING MORE CHEAPER THAN THE MARKET PRICE.
TO YOU RAYMOND, I think you’re dumb and more than just a greed. And now you gathering sympathy from other people. Don’t you have something to do?? Such as J.O.B?? How old are you Raymond??
TO SCAMMER TERMINATOR: Could you tell me how to terminate scams? Are you having somekind of agency?? I am willing to joining into one of your activities and see if your agency as good your name.
March 3rd, 2009 at 12:29 am
O’Neill, or Deviansyah as you probably are.. (you certainly like to use different online personas)
I’m sorry…your identity is pretty easy to sniff out based on your rather unique style of English. I still have old email exchanges between you and I archived in my email account back when you successfully scammed me.
Yes you are correct, I was greedy back then and wanted something for nothing. And yes, perhaps it was my fault for falling for a scam at too-good-to-be-true prices. But that is why I am determined to expose your fraudulent activities and hinder your own criminal activities for the future. Hopefully this post will keep a running tally of all your fictitious names and scam websites so that anyone who Googles those names will stumble onto this site and be forewarned.
March 4th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
LOL… you are quite naif and i could see that you’re a young person trying to get an attention. Do you realized how easy to changed identity, names, email address or even bank account?? Well, but i appreciate with your efforts to help many people here. But one thing for sure, do not mislead them with your own predictions. You have to be precise with all information you might have about these guy.
Once again, this is just a blog. Nothing more than that. Enjoy it, as much as i enjoyed read the whole things.
April 8th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
Lol. Nice work Raymond. I was about to make a purchase from alibaba but now I will think again. Thank god you didn’t decide to not write this up… you have save countless people.
I find it hysterical that this guy keeps posting under different names with the same perceived writing styles. He should probably pay someone else to write for him with the money he stole from people. Funniest part was when he said he was from Dublin with that writing style… HILARIOUS!
I noticed a trend here. All the sites he is starting are .350 sites. The company that owns http://www.350.com is ZyNet Ltd. They are located out of the UK. We should get a warrant in England to get this guys registration info from ZyNet Ltd.
Oh and Sharon seemed legit BTW. She was actually going at it with “whites” who was just another alias for this scammer guy. He tracked down her site and started flaming her. “Whites” is the probable scammer not sharon. Or at least it seems that way
April 9th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
Hi, I have not posted in a while. I am working on a wholesale website that includes me and a team of honest wholesalers who will screen all companies wanting to list items. I want one place that buyers don’t have to worry about being scammed. It is going to take time, but I am determined. There are a lot of good companies in all countries, but these scammers are making it hard for us to trust anyone. If anyone, wants to help me with this website, please contact me. As O’neill said above, if it seems to good to be true, it probably is at least when it comes to branded merchandise. I have been sellling Apple Iphones, Blackberries and Nokias and make approx. $5/phone.
April 10th, 2009 at 10:34 am
Sharon,
Feel free to post some of these so-called reliable wholesale providers for us to examine if you’d like. I’d be curious to see if these sites are truly as reliable and trustworthy as you suggest. Sorry if I’m a bit skeptical…but I’ve been burned before and have become extremely paranoid with such matters. The world is filled with scammers, spammers, and evil schemers unfortunately.
For those in the United States like myself, my advice is to never do online business with anyone outside of the U.S., particularly in the wholesale merchandise setting, unless you have thoroughly vetted them 1000x over. There are more built in safeguards and avenues of recourse against scammers and thieves in the states. However, once your money has been stolen by an out of country scoundrel, your options are much more limited. Always be vigilant and yes, always remember….if it sounds too good to be true…it most definitely probably is.
Unfortunately, Sharon’s profit of about $5 per high demand electronic sounds very low, but from a true business standpoint, sounds about right….margins for those type of products are notoriously low…unless you have a warehouse and can purchase huge volumes of them at wholesale bulk prices. Most of the money from eBay powersellers who market these type of products comes from buddling activity. By paring low margin items like Ipods and cell phones with high margin items like ear phones, ear pieces, and Bluetooth ear products…you help to raise the margins of your sale items overall.
April 20th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
For those in the United States like myself, my advice is to never do online business with anyone outside of the U.S., particularly in the wholesale merchandise setting, unless you have thoroughly vetted them 1000x over.
What a funny statement….. check this out brother Raymond….you may think twice with your own statement about country so called USA….
SCAMMER ALERT “PCS WIRELESS”
We are DNMA66 LLC,www.33bid.com scammed by PCS WIRELESS NEW YORK,
ATTENTION ALL MEMBERS OF 33BID.COM
PCS WIRELESS ,NEW YORK CELL PHONE COMPANY
IS PROFESSIONAL SCAMMER COMPANY
WE ORDER NEW MOBILE PHONES AND THEY SENT TO US
USED AND FAKE PHONES.
WE SENT BACK FOR REPLACMENT OR REFUND THEY REFUSED AND LIE ALWAYS
WATCH OUT THIS COMPANY.
IF ANY ONE SCAMMED FROM THIS COMPANY JUST LET US KNOW ,WE WILL SUE
THEM AS FAST AS POSSIBLE AND WE WILL SEND LAWYERS TOMORROW.
———————————————————————-
SCAMMER COMPANY DETAILS&PERSONS:
Bill Schneider
PCS Wireless, Inc.
11 Vreeland Rd.
Florham Park, N.J. 07932
BillS@pcsww.com
http://www.PCSWW.com
Tel. 1.973.805.7400 Ext. 285
Fax 1.973.301.0975
April 20th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
I noticed a trend here. All the sites he is starting are .350 sites. The company that owns http://www.350.com is ZyNet Ltd. They are located out of the UK. We should get a warrant in England to get this guys registration info from ZyNet Ltd.
There are hundred even thousand similar free website services. Which you don’t need to registered at all.
April 22nd, 2009 at 10:29 pm
Great job with this blog Raymond. The is truly an eye opener. I was searching for some products on Alibaba very recently and was amazed that some vendor were providing quotations for branded electronics at substantially less then the retail value in North America. Most of these vendors had websites which seems to be pretty unprofessional and a little suspicious. I started searching online regarding the validity of vendors on Alibaba and found this blog. I will continue to search for wholesalers on Alibaba and related sites because there has to some honest folks out there. I make it a point to only deal with wholesalers that accept credit card. You can lose you money with any other payment method. As per my understanding Paypal only covers transactions done via Ebay. So if you decide to send funds to some dude in China (even if its a verified paypal account) you could end up losing everything.
April 24th, 2009 at 12:51 am
Dear Mr Raymond
I’m from Indonesia, i’m so sorry about what happen to you.
what can i do for you ?
I can report all happen to you to the Indonesia Police if you want.
and the police will find this man.
we will discuss about this on yahoo msg if you like at Kresna_Kwok@yahoo.com
Thanks
April 24th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Kresna,
Thanks for your offer but I actually did try to email the bank where the funds were deposited by the scammer and they were unable to help me. They suggested I make a report with the local police chief where the scammer resided. I tried calling the local police in the suspected area of Indonesia, but gave up when I realized that I really didn’t even know whether the address the scammer gave me was legitimate.
I’ve given up trying to track Deviansyah and other scammers down. It’s a losing cause so long as countries like Indonesia do not crack down harder on online criminals. Thanks for offering to help though!
April 30th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
Do Not Buy From These Three Companies:
Sender’s Contact Details Email: Henry Dunant rydunt789@lycos.com
Name: Mr Henri Siahaan Offline
Company: Command Robotech Group
Address: 379-382 Flourence st, Jakarta Selatan, Jakarta Raya
Country: Indonesia
Tel: 62-61-76727600
Fax: 62-61-76727600
Sender’s Contact Details Email: “tan yee tee”
Name: Ms Sharon Tan Offline
Company: SM Ltd.
Address: 4 Jalan Amino,, KL, KL
Country: Singapore
Tel: 65-97-936011
Fax: 65-
Sender’s Contact Details Email: Robert Beague etroniks@live.com
Name: Robert Beague
Company: http://www.etroniks.com
Address: Lutz
Country: FL
Tel: 813-531-5459
Fax:
May 1st, 2009 at 5:00 am
Sharon,
Did you get personally scammed by these sites? The Indonesia address is an automatic dead giveaway….savvy merchants and buyers should always remember – NEVER buy anything from an Indonesian merchant or anyone with an Indonesian address. The country is a hot bed of criminal illegal activity and the incompetent government and law enforcement authorities there have done very little to crack down on fraudulent activity.
Another scammer trick I’ve noticed being employed with greater frequency these days is the use of female names to lure in unsuspecting buyers. Oftentimes the female names are completely made up and designed to lull trusting buyers into a false sense of security. I guess we have a tendency to trust women more than men…I know I have that innate tendency.
May 5th, 2009 at 9:41 am
I was just scammed by Rizky Pasaribu—Mdn Pancing –Alibaba.com in Indonesia. It all started by looking for a Shimano Stella fishing reel. It is a high end spinning reel. The cost in the United States is $850.00. Pasaribu offered it to me for $230.00 including shipping. I also wanted to sell on EBay and make a large profit. After sending him the money by bank wire transfer, he emailed back stating that he accidently sent me five reels and wanted an additional $660.00. At that point I realized I had been scammed. After multiple emails back and forth stating that I would not send him any additional money without the original reel I purchased , he disappeared from the web.
I emailed Alibaba and said they would investigate the matter. Alibaba charges venders on their web site $3000.00 to belong and are reluctant to investigate them after being told of internet fraud. I had to close my bank accounts fearing they could withdraw additional funds from my bank. Bank information for mdn pancing is:
Name of the bank: Bank Mandiri
Name on the account: Johnson Pasaribu
Account number: 107-00-0549459-8
Swift code/IBC: BEIIDJA
Country : Indonesia
If you could post this information on your web site, I would appreciate.
May 20th, 2009 at 7:43 am
My sympathy goes out to those who’ve gotten conned. What a nasty experience that must be..
Scammers prey on the greediness/ignorance of people who think that it’s simple to make quick bucks, and such fraudulent activity has been going on for years and years. Well, think for yourself, if such money was thaat easy to make, why wouldn’t wholesalers just peddle their goods on ebay themselves?
I was also shocked that someone would actually suggest, even though in half-jest(?), all that stuff about calling a hit on that Devian guy or whoever he really is.
Yes, what he did was wrong, blahblahblah, but what good would killing him really do? I’d love to see scammers get caught and go to jail.
Just my two cents worth. For those who’ve been scammed, don’t turn bitter like some ‘victims’ here are.. just learn from your lesson and move on from it. Learn to be aware and alert.
May 23rd, 2009 at 8:53 pm
Thank you all for posting this vailuable information. I know all the people that read this appreciate it a lot even if they do not say so. I hate scammers, they are the scum of the internet and the world. I am currently browsing alibaba and am so happy I came across this blog. Now that i read all this Im going to leave that site alone. I was scammed for 250 on a apple iphone on the site called sell.com
The scammers screen name is stevenjones090 and he just changed his name to anthonyjohnson090. I contacted sell.com and they know he is scaming but have done nothing. I think that site is ran by scammers so stay away. This stevenjones090/anthonyjohnson090 is a piece of sh*t. On his ad he states that his proceeds go to breast cancer which they dont, it goes into his pocket. What a low life. I can not image how a person like that can live with themselves. Also on sell.com stay away from screen name redon email is kevinoneil19@yahoo.com. I have caught him in multiple lies about his name, age, number and address. I have name, number, and address for him also if n e one wants it. On ioffer stay away from screen name jfksbm, email jfksbm@yahoo.com. She/He is a scammer. And also on ioffer stay away from screen name duraj email is enajur@yahoo.com. I have names, numbers, and address for both of them if n e one wants it just ask.
Here is some info on stevenjoness090 and anthonyjohnson090 they are the same person.
Steve E Jones
10069 Branford Rd
San Diego, CA 92129
858-484-3957
Age:22
stevenjones090@gmail.com
stevensmith050@gmail.com
arlestermcdonald@gmail.com
and:
Anthony Johnson
113 Schiller St.
Reading, PA 19601
610-372-4633
anthonyjohnson090@gmail.com
Im thinking of creating a website that will allow victims of scammers to post their story and info of that scammer. Once again thank you all for creating the awarness.
May 23rd, 2009 at 9:44 pm
As Indonesian i sad when read this forum. If anyone of you need escort when dealing with people in indonesia. let me know how to help you. call me in my number +6285297639847. May not all indonesian like you all said.
Terima Kasih
June 4th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
Mirota Shop Electronics & PayPal SCAM
On April 23, 2009 I purchased a Sharp LCD 65 inch TV from Mirota-Shop out of Indonesia. Their website is http://www.Kusnak.com and http://www.mirota-shop.com is located on several search websites. I called PayPal before ordering and they informed me this company had been with them a long time and had many orders filled in the price range of mine, $2,900.00 US, and that they had no complaints. I sent money to PayPal and the seller, Andrea Thenavi, sent me a link to Buana Cargo (Express) who was supposedly transporting the TV to my home in California. I followed the voyage via Buana’s website and tracking number. When it supposedly arrived in Oceanside, my hometown, after about 7 days travel (which was rather quick) it was listed as delivered. Of course, I did not receive it yet. I emailed the seller and the cargo company and neither would respond, so I filed a complaint with PayPal. After 30 days of dickering with them, they informed me that the seller never responded to any of their email requests and that they ruled in my favor. However, the seller had no money in their account to retract for me. Now my only revenge is to make it known that the Mirota Shop is a scam outfit and PayPal cannot and will not protect the consumer.
MIROTA SHOP – SUN PLAZA MALL
Jl. H. Zainul Arifin No. 7, Level 2. Medan, Indonesia 20111
Phone: 011-617-697-9630 , Fax: 617-697-9629 , Hotline: 081-962-8364
Also: 011-620-061-3039-4290 http://www.kusnak.com
Order : order@mirota-shop.com Payment : payment@mirota-shop.com
Andrea Thenavi and Dika Prima
June 12th, 2009 at 8:20 am
Wow, I was just going to invest in Trustpass and Gold membership on Alibaba.com but seeing the reputation Alibaba is developing, I think I will pass. Afterall I accept payment only by Bank wire Transfer which has been demonised beyond imagination. I
June 12th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
Do not trust or believe any information on Alibaba. Sellers on alibaba can use any company’s name as the supposed seller. Our company just received a call yesterday from someone inquiring about an item that we supposedly had for sale on alibaba. Up until then we had never even heard of alibaba. We went to the website and saw numerous items listed for sale with our company name and address listed as the seller but we have nothing to do with the items listed and there is no Richard Wellison employed by our company. Our company is in the process of trying to have the items removed but I don’t know if we will be successful. This situation is absolutely outrageous. If someone buys one of these items they are going to get scammed and they’re going to think our company is the one who scammed them. I am sure the name Richard Wellison is an alias and I don’t know where the emails are going if someone tries to contact what is supposedly our company, but they are not going to us. I urge anyone out there to avoid doing business on this web site.
June 12th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
Karen,
I’m uttered convinced that Alibaba.com is a completely unregulated and un-monitored sham. The company is run by a China-based organization – and that in of itself should immediately set off alarm bells. Chinese authorities are not known for cracking down on piraters or fraudulent criminals. The dictatorial regime’s rulers are professional experts when it comes to being aggressively vigilant in their violent efforts at stopping freedom of speech and stamping out political dissent, but the authorities are completely retarded when it comes to investigating bona-fide online computer crimes. If the private company and managing government don’t care, it’s just going to get worse and worse.
Hopefully we can help spread the word about Alibaba and the scams that are being perpetrated via their service.
June 12th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
I also got scammed by stevenjones090/anthonyjohnson0. Filed claim with my Credit Card company. This person is now operating http://www.premiumelectron.com site. He has two new addresses premiumelectro@gmail.com and premiumelectron@gmail.com Some with just renewed this site at http://www.godaddy.com using the following information:
Melanson, Nora
premiumelectro@gmail.com
2556 Hart Country Lane
Augusta, Georgia 30901
United States
(706) 584-1566
June 15th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
why this o’neil guy is very upset about raymond exposing the scammers. I bet you he’s probably one of them.
June 22nd, 2009 at 12:35 pm
oppsss… now even USA got scammer….
June 22nd, 2009 at 12:38 pm
SCAMMER COMPANY DETAILS&PERSONS (ALL COMING FROM USA): Really? USA??
Bill Schneider
PCS Wireless, Inc.
11 Vreeland Rd.
Florham Park, N.J. 07932
BillS@pcsww.com
http://www.PCSWW.com
Tel. 1.973.805.7400 Ext. 285
Fax 1.973.301.0975
Melanson, Nora
premiumelectro@gmail.com
2556 Hart Country Lane
Augusta, Georgia 30901
United States
(706) 584-1566
Anthony Johnson
113 Schiller St.
Reading, PA 19601
610-372-4633
anthonyjohnson090@gmail.com
June 26th, 2009 at 3:00 am
I had actually been looking into “premiumelectron.com” since about june 11th ever since i got an email about the website. I contacted the email given on the website and talked to some guy (i have his “name” and “address” along with their “warehouse address” in my email”) and i asked many many questions trying to prove authenticity in the website but never quite felt comfortable enough to risk my money on it. During this i also did some quite extensive research, also finding out about “Nora Melanson” who’s name does exist, neither did the address exist, and the phone number went to some “Augusta Bell South pre-completion termination” when i called it. I actually just posted this on their website as a comment making some pretty good points but it says its awaiting moderation so it most likely won’t get approved, but here it is for everyone else to see.
Comment:
So you all are still up? I’m surprised!!!
So how many people have you scammed by now?
Here’s just a few of the signs I picked up from a little bit of research:
1. Haven’t had any activity on the website since the eleventh of June.
2. “Nora Melanson” doesn’t exist, neither does the address. (That’s the name this website was originally registered to through http://www.godaddy.com, but must’ve changed it after i reported invalid/fake information to godaddy and them replying that they thank me and will try to contact “PremiumElectron” to get current information).
3. The email given on http://www.godaddy.com for this website is different than the one listed here.
4. The phone number given on http://www.godaddy.com is invalid and does not work.
5. No proof of this being an actual business, not on this site, not anywhere else on the internet.
6. Messed up description information like under the 3g 16gb white iphone it says “NEW UNLOCKED APPLE IPHONE 3G PHONE 16GB BLACK”, and also “UNLOCKED BLACK 16GB Apple iPhone-White.”
7. Unprofessional web layout, along with a non secure(not https://, having the lock symbol on the address bar also) page to type all your information in besides credit card number.
June 29th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
Someone mentioned jfksbm@yahoo.com, I was dealing with someone that sent an invoice with that email address on it. Anyone have any other details about this address.