How I Got Scammed By a Seller On Alibaba
I debated about whether I should share this story, but at the end I decided that my experience might help prevent someone from falling into the same scam as I did. At the time I was young, inexperienced and financially naive. Since then, I’ve learned and improved based on my past failures and eventually went on to run a small but profitable home business by making money online with ebay, at least for a modest period of time.
It All Started With Too Much Greed
Shortly after college I decided I wanted to start a part time side business selling merchandise on eBay. But first I needed to find a wholesale supplier. After some research I decided I wanted to focus on consumer electronics such as GPS navigation devices and Apple iPods, and concluded my best bet at finding a supplier would be through a free network site like Alibaba, that helps connect sellers with buyers of goods. Little did I know at the time, but sites like Alibaba are crawling with scammers and evil doers.
I ultimately decided to focus on selling Garmin and Tom Tom branded GPS units. After a few searches, I was amazed to find numerous sellers offering brand new Garmin GPS units for very little money. The Garmin GPS model I was interested in buying in bulk retailed for more than $1200 on eBay at the time. The sellers I found on Alibaba were offering each unit for only $700 each. The asking prices were exceedingly low, but sadly I was too overcome with dollar signs in my head to realize that the offers were likely too good to be true. I essentially had blinders on and was too busy calculating all the profit I was going to make by selling these units for such high markup. Eventually I narrowed down a potential seller.
Greed Prevented Me From Recognizing the Warning Flags
When you are overcome with greed, it is hard to think clearly, even when a clearly fraudulent transaction is staring at you in the face. I should have been more aware of all the telltale signs that the seller was likely a potential scammer and a fraud. First of all, the seller provided me contact information based in Indonesia, a country like Nigeria that is notorious for being a hotbed of scammer activity. He also provided very limited company background information that could be used to verify his personal or business identity, or determine his true geographical location. The phone number he provided me did indeed work, but I should have realized that nowadays with VOIP technology, phone number locations are very easily faked. It’s easy to reside in one country and still obtain a temporary, disposable local phone number from another. Even paid identity authentication and verification services are subject to abuse and illegal manipulation as well. It’s not all that difficult for online scammers on Alibaba or any other Internet exchange service to obtain a genuine TrustPass or Alibaba Gold Membership certification using falsified identification.
Another thing that should have raised red flags was the fact that the seller offered to pay for shipping, which is an extremely unusual practice for first time wholesale purchases, especially since international shipping can be quite expensive. The seller also insisted on rushing the sale, frequently threatening to end the lucrative deal if I continued to demand more verification information and not move forward with payment. But otherwise, the scammer was extremely convincing in the way he portrayed the deal as completely legitimate. Rather than thinking that the sale was a scam, I just thought I was getting an excellent deal.
Because I was so motivated by greedy emotions, I was more fearful of losing the lucrative buy than I was of being scammed. There were so many warning signs that I simply ignored, such as the seller refusing to accept Paypal or even credit card payment. Instead, he demanded payment through bank wire transfer. If I had conducted more due diligence, I would have known that unlike Paypal or credit card transactions where my money would have been protected, bank wire transactions are permanent and irreversible once properly executed.
I Fell For the Trap – Hook, Line, and Sinker
Ultimately I sent him over $2,025.00 through bank wire transfer for 3 sample Garmin GPS units. Once he had the money, he disappeared without a trace. I attempted to contact him through the phone number he provided me, but the line had been disconnected. He never responded back to my e-mails and I never received the merchandise. My money was gone and I never recovered it.
Afterwards, I felt very stupid and ashamed, but I learned many valuable lessons as a result. I’m glad I experienced this hard knock life lesson earlier in my life when the potential stakes were lower. I thought something like this could never possibly happen to me, but it did, and I allowed my greedy emotions to get in the way of rational caution. You and I, we may think we’re very smart and that we’re so clever, but we are only human, and still susceptible to basic human emotional irrationality. It’s difficult to control emotions like greed, fear, and pride. So my friends, it’s important to always stay vigilant – scammers are everywhere and one day you might be in their cross hairs too.
November 13th, 2007 at 7:26 pm
Sorry to hear about your experience. Please post the scammer’s details (including bank wire details) so others who look him up through Google will find your warning.
November 13th, 2007 at 7:33 pm
The contact information might not be accurate anymore, but I did some research on the name “Deviansyah” and it appears he or his collaborators have been running similar scams across Alibaba for years. It saddens me when I hear about all the people that have fallen for his scams.
Here’s everything I have on this loser:
Name: Deviansyah K. Manoch
Company: John’s Trading Company
Telephone: 011-62-813-19033894
Fax: 011-62-21-78844901
E-mail: eh_manoch@link.net.id
Bank: Bank of Central Asia
Bank Address: Jalan Cilandak KKO II / 5
Account Name Deviansyah K. Manoch
Swift Code CENAIDJA
Beneficiary Account Number: 733-0115259
November 13th, 2007 at 11:07 pm
Wow, that’s awful! At least when people like you share their stories, the rest of us have a better chance of experiencing it only vicariously and recognizing the real thing. Thanks for sharing.
November 29th, 2007 at 8:44 am
Wow really sorry to hear, I have just dicovered Alibaba.com and really glad to hear your story, now I’m scared to use Alibaba all together but do not know who else to use …
December 29th, 2007 at 6:46 am
I just finished typing a big letter on why none of you should even attempt contacting anyone on alibaba. but it didnt post and all my typing was for nothing. DO NOT use alibaba 90% of the so called business’s on there are scammers and alibaba know this but do not care cause they get their money no matter what happens to you. They will suspend a scammers account if you spend thousands of dollars in court proving that the business was a scam. They just dont care who they make a trust pass or gold member as long as they pay for the right to rip you off. I no longer use that website and no-one else should either EVER !!! Instead contact the company directly and they will always point you in the right direction. for example want ipod’s ok goto the apple web site and apply to be a re-seller not only are their prices just as good as the scammers but you get great after sales service, warranty and you acutally get that you have paid for.
Good luck to everyone and I can just hope that all those scammers really needed that money cause they will need it if I ever meet them. Just be thankfull they live in China and are not your next door neighbour.
December 29th, 2007 at 1:50 pm
I don’t think Alibaba is rigorous enough with its issuance of Trustpass verification badges and it seems like any company (even fraudulent ones) can obtain one by simply paying the fee. How Alibaba has established itself as a large trusted site is beyond me – most of the listed companies I’ve contacted on the site are likely run by scammers according to my own BS detector.
March 31st, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Sometimes it’s confusing me, to read which one is the true or false facts. Especially a lots of blogger using to manipulate people. So my advice is, why don’t we care to our self and do more alerts. These days people could say anything on the blogger, and we don’t know exactly which one is the truth. Some rumors also said, that this is the competition among suppliers and sellers. So, guys please be aware not to carry out so far.
April 14th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
I just been scammed too. I had the very same experience. I never thought this would happen to me ever, This is crazy and I agree with th greedy thing u ignore all the redflags because of the prospective profit u would be getting. Well this is definitely a hard lesson but I learned it. Am almost sure I will never get my money back…
April 14th, 2008 at 10:45 pm
Mary,
Sorry for your financial loss. I feel your pain! It’s the worst feeling to be scammed but you live and learn. Greed is a terribly blinding thing for sure…
May 15th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
Sorry to hear about your story, but thanks for posting it here.
I work for a Taiwanese company in beauty products, and we are on the other hand also afraid of crazy customers.
Lots of customers ask us to send samples across the world, assist them in registration processes etc etc. The list for their demands is sometimes like an essay.
Anyway, our recomendation for our new customers is that they place a small order, we usually only accept payments by TT, and we usually have minimum order, but in the beginning we always want the customer to purchase a smaller amount of products, they pay, and we send the products, in this way we see that the customer is really willing to pay, and the customer will see that we are serious about our commitment when it comes to proper packaging and sending the correct products.
This is how we do, does anyone have any better advice for us? Both for our customer and our side.
May 15th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
Martin,
I think most reputable companies should start accepting credit card payments instead of only T/T wire transfers. Credit cards do a much better job of providing protection for consumers and merchants since the card issuer assumes the financial cost of any loss due to fraudulent transactions. T/T transfers are commonly associated with Western Union type scams these days. Or at the very least, more reputable companies must be willing to accept some type of escrow agreement, even when it comes to initial sample requests.
May 15th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
Ok, so how to do the credit card payments?
I originally comes from Sweden, and there its really easy doing credit card payments, but in Taiwan sooo many people are involved in fraud so its quite tricky using credit cards even for ‘easy’ purchases as tickets etc.
But we don’t give a shit how we get our money, as long as we get it, and the customer feels safe.
For TT transfers we have to give account No#, swift code and some stuff, correct?
What kind of details are needed for Credit Card payments.
May 15th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
Martin,
Well perhaps Paypal is a possible option. It allows potential international customers to link Paypal up with their bank accounts and credit cards to make online payments. Paypal provides some insurance and in the event of fraudulent transactions, Paypal covers and assumes a decent portion of the loss. This is helpful for the initial sample / test transactions used to establish credibility and trust. Thereafter wire transfers may be more appropriate.
May 18th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
Martin,
Perhaps paypal are the safe method so far. But I’ve been doing business with several Asian countries, which are not accepted paypal as payment. According to them, their country don’t have any paypal service. Then finally I just did bank transfer. It’s a risky of course, but we never know if we never tried. Not all of them are bad person, some of them are also real business person.
May 30th, 2008 at 9:21 am
I have e-mail conversation with this person right now. He send me invoice for cell phones, photocopies of his ID card ( probably, fake ), his bank coordinates and his company address ( now it is “Pacific Trading” ) which looks like CitiBank address in Jakarta but with different zip code, his phone number for conversation and asked for Western Union transactions. I have his coordinates and documents ( but some are fake, probably ).
What should I do?
June 9th, 2008 at 6:06 am
Victor,
My advice is to mess with him for amusement purposes. Please share any stories as I would love to hear about them. I personally hate scammers and would love for everyone that comes in contact with any of them to waste the scammer’s time and efforts on fruitless pursuits. I recommend asking him for tons and tons of verification information and to keep leading him on – essentially using his own scammer tactics against him.
Whatever you do however, do not send any money, Western Union checks, wire transfers, or fall for any escrow agreements no matter how credible or trustworthy his claims may seem. This Deviansyah Kurniawan Manoch fellow, or whatever his real name may be, is a very conniving and sneaky online scammer. I’m sure he’s running scam operations through Alibaba, eBay, and other sites as well. I really don’t know where he’s based or located exactly.
Beware!
June 9th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
Harry
I have been scammed 1800usd. My advice is do not use alibaba at all. I think the whole website is made of scammers. I got scammed using the following link
June 10th, 2008 at 7:52 am
It’s quite confusing me to see those all stories. But one thing I know, we are too greedy sometimes. We thought we could get so called “Special price” while the original price could be seen anywhere in our country. But why do we interested buying things over someone else from the another part of the world? Don’t you get it guys? THE BEST BUYING IS BUYING FROM YOUR OWN COUNTRY !! Other then looking for suppliers, sellers, or whatever they are.
June 10th, 2008 at 7:56 am
How can some suppliers selling some items more more cheaper then original distributors? Is it make sense if laptops selling more cheaper in other country, rather then we buy from our own country? Why don’t we buy it from original store on our country? It’s more easy, cash payment, and get the stuff right away from the cashier. So why do we still looking items from another country???
June 11th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
One thing i would like to asking, What is the validity of the whole words here? How could i know if the person written those article really got scam? Or perhaps it’s just they’re trying to cornering somebody else?
You know, internet are using for free and people could saying a lots of things in internet. How to prevent from fake information? Somebody else please answer this questions. Who’s going to responsible for all of the article written on the internet?
June 11th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
Richard,
I actually find it sort of funny your suggestion that I am somehow trying to “corner” someone with my “fake information”. All I am trying to accomplish here is warn others of what had personally happened to me in the past by one unscrupulous online scammer from Alibaba.com
No one has to listen or heed my warnings or advice, but I’m trying to do a public service warning in case the same scam attempt ever happens again to anyone else in the future. By all accounts reflected in the comments, it appears others have fell for this particular scammer’s tricks and skills of persuasion as well.
I’m hoping that those who search in Google or Yahoo for the names: Deviansyah Kurniawan Manoch or Deviansyah K. Manoch will find their way here so that they can be forewarned.
You are correct that there are plenty of fake information sources and misleading articles online – but that’s why it’s important to use your own judgment as well.
June 11th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
Richard,
I could publish here my e-mail “conversation” with so-called
Deviansyah Kurniawan Manoch. There are many signs and signals that this is scam in every document that he sent.
June 11th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
Victor,
Feel free to post your e-mail conversations with this particular scammer – perhaps the most relevant segments at least. He’s a pretty convincing guy I’ll give that to him. Of course, I was blinded by greed at the time.
June 14th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
Recently it’s not only African country which we should aware. I’ve got scammed also by French guy, called Cyril. I pay the deposit money, but he never sending my order. Anyone could help me? He’s living in French
June 14th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
Vinnie,
I highly doubt that the individual you spoke to was from France. Most established European countries and the United States have little tolerance for scam activity and would crack down. I’m 99.99% positive your scammer is probably from Eastern Europe (Romania, Ukraine), Africa (English speaking countries like Nigeria), or South East Asia (Indonesia).
Unfortunately, there is little that you can do if the scammer is actually from one of those countries. I’ve heard of people visiting those countries to confront the scammer – not a good idea though. Oftentimes the experience can prove dangerous or fatal.
June 14th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
As far as i know, there are few or even many articles about deviansyah on the GOOGLE search. These are for example:
http://www.jakartaphotoclub.com/public/deviansyah/profile.php
http://www.fotografer.net/isi/galeri/index.php?xxthn=2007&page=11016
http://www.korantempo.com/korantempo/2007/07/17/Metro/krn,20070717,55.id.html
do you think you got scammed by photographer Raymond??? Exactly !! There are few names or even hundreds of deviansyah on the GOOGLE search. Which one is the right one?? each information should be responsible. otherwise others will be a victim of wrong information. Internet could using for free. But since its Free must be responsible also
June 14th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
Richard,
My experience occurred a few years ago, but at the time I did manage to speak to him over the phone and threaten police action and criminal prosecution (empty threats obviously). I recall his voice clearly and couldn’t figure out what type of accent he had. He definitely was not American…the accent was just foreign…Indian almost. I remember him trying to avoid the conversation saying that he needed to travel to Singapore or something weird like that.
Yes I’ve Googled his name many times and have tried to figure out his identity but I can’t say for sure that one of those links is definitely him. I highly doubt he would be so dumb as to post photos and use his real name though.
Scammers…live and learn I suppose.
June 18th, 2008 at 5:17 am
Raymond,
Does this address looks like Eastern Europe (Romania, Ukraine), Africa (English speaking countries like Nigeria), or South East Asia (Indonesia) ??
77 RUE DU SERGENT BLANDAN. 54000 – Nancy – France
Also i could publish the transferred receipt here. Where the destination into one of the bank in France.
I think scammer is around the world now. Perhaps on your country too.
June 18th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
I’ve noticed that scammers tend to use actual but random European addresses – frequently they are addresses to actual post offices or hotels.
I’ve sent a few letters to listed addresses before but the letters always bounced back to me due to failure of delivery receipt.
I don’t know about everyone else, but I personally refuse to do business with anyone who is not from the United States anymore. American laws do a substantially better job of protecting consumers from scams and illegal online activities.
French and English addresses are frequently used by scammers for some unexplained reason.
June 27th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
Sorry to hear about your experience. I stumbled on your site as I was doing by due diligence about purchasing a product through a wholesaler I found on Alibaba. After reading your article as well as other discouraging posting from other people who have been scammed by sellers on Alibaba, I’ve decided not to use this wholesaler. Thanks for your post.
August 1st, 2008 at 12:16 am
I am sorry to hear about your story. I have had a similar experience that I am going through right now with a guy from iOffer.com. You should do like I did and write a review about them warning other people so they don’t get scammed. I write my reviews on Review Page (link) and View Points (link).
Best of luck in the future!
August 7th, 2008 at 2:33 am
Thanks for the sharing your valuable experience with us, cos recently I just sign up the free account with Alibaba, which I was quite skeptical in the buying and selling business transaction. I will definitely be more extra cautious in the tell-tale signs. Would you still encourage people to do business using Alibaba.com service in future based on your experience?
August 7th, 2008 at 2:38 am
Knight,
Yes, I think there are legitimate wholesale companies and suppliers on Alibaba, but like with all formerly good things, evil do-ers like the scammers and spammers out there have made it hard to separate the good from the bad.
You can still find honest companies on Alibaba, but you’ll need to thoroughly do you detective homework. Remember, legitimate companies will rarely try to force you into immediate action. Honest companies understand the inherent fraud risks of conducting business online and will usually be very willing to provide substantial verification information of their authenticity. To avoid an Alibaba scam, you’ll need to make sure you thoroughly vet the company. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is…
August 7th, 2008 at 9:21 am
Raymond,
I got your points & will remember it dearly =) I guess a lot of people out there are either not educated enough or simply blind by greediness. I hope that anyone before plunging into a online transaction is to learn through other people’s lesson & tips, so as to learn to be wiser and not fallen under a victim of its own.
Cheers,
All the best in your business!
September 9th, 2008 at 6:55 am
I fell into tha same trap loosing more than $2200.00 by bank wire transfer to a company called Xiyang trading.
Alibaba still allows them to scam any who are folish enough to deal with this company and there are many companys on Alibaba doing the same thing.
I can only hope that one day we might be included in a class action law suit against ALIBABA.
CS
September 15th, 2008 at 8:25 am
Wow…a lots of people got scammed here. How does it happened? I mean, all of this victim telling loosing $100, $1000, $2000, etc etc. Who’s gonna verified you in this forums? Ok, perhaps i will say I loose $10.000 also. Who’s gonna verified my report here? This is BS and wasting time. Created a blog and telling about loosing money.
September 15th, 2008 at 8:28 am
Charles… ALIBABA, or BABA ALI is the fucking web site. If you are a chinese, they will do whatever it takes. Do you know how much GOLD MEMBER and TRUST PASS MEMBER in Alibaba? Most of them are scammers. But allowed to publish their stupid fake products on alibaba. I think who’s running Alibaba or BABA ALI, is a skinny stupid chinese man.
September 23rd, 2008 at 5:29 am
jack ma should be shot dead. that fuck8in website is full of scammers. about 95% are scammers. and they dont give a shit!
September 28th, 2008 at 8:51 pm
I just thought I’d let everone know that Deviansyah K. Manoch is still in business and trying to scam people using the website http://www.bayubuana.350.com . I was looking to purchase some items and he sent his info for a wire transfer so i decided to do a search on this guy and this blog came up. After reading your comments i decided to do exactly what you said and I’ve been making him jump thru hoops, asking him for all this stuff, making him lower prices, asking tons of questions, changing things and generally driving him crazy. To date he thinks I’m now ordering about $33,000 worth of video game stuff and hes getting a $5,000 deposit. I think im going to keep this up for another week cancelling the deal and other stuff to drive him crazy. If you’d like his current phone number and info i’d be glad to provide it to you.
September 28th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
Buffort,
Excellent! If the site you indicated is indeed run by or anyway connected to Deviansyah K. Manoch or whatever his real name is, I’m all in favor of wasting his time and driving him crazy. Please list his real phone number, email addresses, and mailing addresses for everyone’s benefit if you wish. He changes them frequently but the information may help other’s avoid falling into this scammer’s trap.
The website you provided indeed has many similarities to my encounter with Deviansayh…for one thing, all prices included shipping as well, which is a telltale rarity in the world of retail or wholesale shipping prices. Legitimate providers almost always charge extra for shipping. This guy is just trying to make his prices extremely attractive to greedy buyers…
October 7th, 2008 at 7:47 am
Thanks for all the comments. BUSTED!!!
October 7th, 2008 at 8:27 am
Hi, Here is more info. Be carefull.
Bayu Buana [bayubuana@live.com]
Western Union payment
Receiver Name DEVIANSYAH K. MANOCH
Location Jakarta – Indonesia
Bank transfer payment
Bank Name BANK SYARIAH MANDIRI
Account Number 169 – 700 – 7357
Account holder Deviansyah K. Manoch
Swift Code BSMDIDJA
Bank address Kantor Kas Cilandak 169
October 7th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Zotyak,
Thanks for providing more banking information about this wiley Deviansyah fella. The more financial information we have been on him the more it’ll severely hinder his criminal scamming activities. Hopefully more people will find this blog website when doing their research and will be able to stay clear of him.
When I got scammed by him years ago, there wasn’t any information about him on Google. Now there is!
October 7th, 2008 at 6:32 pm
Thank God.
I am about to purchase several Nintendo Wii from Deviansyah on bayubuana website.
I researched his or her name and found he’s a scammer.
This scammer is very smooth and VERY convincing. You must be careful report him or her to both the FBI and the Indonesian Police.
I am sharing his or her details b the end of the post.
Remember guys, any GOOD trader or company will offer payments by CREDIT CARD because your credit card companies can do something when fraudulent transactions occur. NEVER USE MONEY ORDER or BANK TRANSFER. Don’t be greedy when you see special prices because as the Western Union website says, when you “special” prices, the chance is it is a scam and now I see it is true.
I have reported him or her to the FBI and the Indonesian police.
How much money did the shit get from fooling people? People lost a lot of money because of this snake.
Stop stealing people’s money; if you want money, get a job.
He even tried to convince me by attaching photographs of Nintendo Wii with a piece of paper below the console with my name on it. He created an invoice for me. He said that all prices included UPS shipping, taxes, etc (guys, UPS shipping is EXPENSIVE).
If you don’t report this snake to the cops, his scams will never stop. Please report him the police especially if you are in Indonesia so we can see him/her face punishment he deserves.
Receiver Name DEVIANSYAH K. MANOCH
Address and Location Jalan Kav. Polri Blok G 41 – 42
Jakarta – Indonesia
Jalan Kemang Raya Selatan No. 29, Jakarta Selatan – Indonesia
Tel: +62815 46179075, email: bayubuana@live.com, MSN: cowecare@hotmail.com
Web site: http://www.bayubuana.350.com
October 7th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
By the way,
you cannot really put him in jail because when you transfer money to them, by laws they have done nothing wrong because you send the money and they receive it.
The best business comes with
“Both buyer and seller sign a contract and you must check their signature based on their driver’s license or Passport”.
The contract is legal. And if you report it to the cops, he will get jailed.
Without the contract, you can do nothing. He will never get jailed.
The question is why this comes from Asia, Africa, East Europe, and immigrants from this country who live western Europe, North America, Australia, and New Zealand? because they are smart and they are living in poverty. So they are thinking how to get money easily without facing legal punishments? of course, by scamming people on the net and MONEY transfered by MONEY ORDER and BANKS TRANSFER. This way, they will never get jailed because by law they have done “nothing wrong”. (No signatures, contracts, etc).
Please be aware that some spammers change names and there are new spammers too whose names are not famous on the net and u can’t research them.
October 12th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
Congratulations on the guy who made this blog. You are the man. You have the GUTS to share this shaming story that happened to you, but you helped us very much. These people would easily fool everyone on the net so I SAY A BIG THANK you for protecting us. God bless you!
October 14th, 2008 at 2:19 am
I guess i was lucky. I got my order last week from this guy deviansyah. I purchases several psp and ps3, and got the ordered from him last week.
October 14th, 2008 at 2:20 am
just little advised to you guys. why don’t you using COD with ups or dhl? i used this method and got my ordered last week.
October 14th, 2008 at 2:33 am
Hammilton, or whatever your real name is:
Please explain to me why you are attempting to mislead readers? At the very least you ought to change the email address you post your comments with. It’s clear you are up to something…attempting to pose as different people in this blog comment section.
Note to readers: Commentator identifying himself as “Hammilton” is the same person commenting as “Allan”…I suspect he may be either Mr. Deviansyah Manoch himself or someone affiliated with the scammer. Most likely he Googled his own name and discovered that the first search result led to this warning post.
Please disregard and ignore his ridiculous comments regarding his alleged successes with COD. He appears to be attempting to spread misinformation in a vane attempt to mislead readers into falling for his scams.
October 14th, 2008 at 10:26 am
So, quite surprised with your comments Raymond. As i don’t up to anything. What would be the benefits for me?
It’s just pretty funny to see all comments here, while i had a different experienced. Since you are the owner of this stupid blog, perhaps all different names comes from your self. You just created different story and a different names.
Happy blogging Raymond.
October 14th, 2008 at 10:32 am
To me this is only BLOG. When everything said here cannot be verified. Anyone and everyone could write any comments, any ideas and any mislead information. Who’s going to verifying all of this information???? Raymond as a moderator? He might have some bad experienced with that guy deviansyah. But i don’t know with the rest of the reader here.
In some country, blogging is under strictly supervision. So anyone cannot put any mislead information or comments.
October 14th, 2008 at 10:33 am
Please read what Richard says on his comments. There are too many deviansyah when you googled. So the question is, which deviansyah are we talking about?
Richard Says:
June 14th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
October 14th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
Hammilton,
Here in the USA, we have a little thing called the 1st Amendment which provides for freedom of speech and I’m exercising my constitutionally protected right.
As for the need to verify everything, please keep in mind, this is a personal finance blog….not an authoritative college textbook. I am basing everything that I’m writing about on personal experience. As someone who has fallen for the tricks of online scammers before, I have little tolerance for those criminals out there who try to dupe unsuspecting people out of their hard earned money. I’ve learned to detect their methods and have become much more savvy of their telltale calling cards.
Whine all you want, but I plan on continuing to warn others about scammers like Deviansyah and others. I’m sure readers can discern for themselves the truth from fiction among the comments.
October 15th, 2008 at 8:49 am
Carry on Ray… get those sympathy for people here. What’s done, it’s done. That’s my philosophy. Anything done cannot be brought back to this present time.
Of course i agreed with the 1st Amendment which provides freedom of speech. But if the FREEDOM cornered someone lives by mislead information, i think it’s unresponsible freedom. and it should be stop.
Whatever happened to you, i feel sorry for that. But if we had different experienced, would it be wrong?? Perhaps you took large order with him, while i only took 2 units psp and ps3. And got the items as he promised. I don’t have a clue if i ordering 10 – 20 units. But for this trial, succeed.
Carry on with your blog Ray….good luck…
October 15th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
If i had to guess I’d say that Hammilton might just be the worm himself. I’ve exchanged more than 50 e-mails with the guy and the writing seems very similiar. Don’t be fooled by this Hammilton, what is written on this blog about him is true including the websites, msn name and phone numbers. I’ve received the exact same info from this snake including pictures and other fake sources of proof. I’ve been e-mailing him frequently and on later post i’ll share some of the funnier and stupid things this guy has done but for the time being I’ll hold onto this info so that he doesnt know that I’m messing with him. Deviansyah is very convincing but his attention to detail is lacking and all the warning signs are there if you don’t let the greed cloud your judgment. BTW Deviansyah does make a nice website and could that be because your real job is IT, Hmmmm
Remember when dealing with Scammers Walk Tall and Carry a Big Stick
October 17th, 2008 at 6:55 am
what the hells wrong with people here? Since i wrote my first blog, all of this silly people keep pointing at me. It’s all up to your comments here guys, but if we had different experienced, is it wrong?
For you Buffort, don’t you think he will know your IP address? Even you wrote different email address. Come on, please be smart.
October 17th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
Please be smart !!! Are you really trying to give me advice on being smart when you yourself need to follow your own advice. Aren’t you the one who used the same e-mail address while posting on THIS forum under 2 different names saying that you had a successful transaction with Devain. Besides in some fun deviant way i think it might be funny to have him read my comments here that I’ve been making a fool out of him for weeks now. The other funny thing is that not long after you started defending him he finally stopped e-mailing me so i guess Devain, i mean Hammilton, i mean Allan or Sybil or whatever your name will be next week finally got the hint.
October 17th, 2008 at 7:23 pm
You really dumb as your name Buffort. But go on, keep trying to make your self even more dumb. I don’t need to discuss further more for narrow and short minded like you. As i said to you, be smart.
October 17th, 2008 at 7:28 pm
Buffort, Ignore the thief. Let it say whatever it wants to say. I noticed that Ray (the blog owner) has been ignoring it for a while, too.
His / her name is a Pakistani name by the way. A Pakistani who lives in Indonesia and because it is a poor country and hard to get a job there, some people over there are thinking how to get monet fast. By Scamming of course. Stealing innocent’s people money.
Clearly the so called Hamilton is Deviansyah or whatever the shitty name is spelt given his writing style and very poor English (just like his writing style and English sent to me on email).
Karma will not go away. For every action, there is always reaction. It’s been scamming, stealing people’s money and lying for years and it will get its punishments by nature.
Things like it should die because the world is a much better place without it.
October 17th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
People will knowing when you sent him a fake email or fake inquiry. I think he is smart enough, stop response your email. You looks really dumb if you think he will eat your bates. You’re off the hook Buffort or whatever your name is.
now everybody knows, that everyone could wrote any mislead information here. As our friend Buffort did. Hellooooo….once again this is a free blog right?…. anyone could read and write just about everything without verifications. Well done. Keep on going.
1st Amendment which provides freedom of speech. Just as Raymond says. I’m out of here. CIAO…Asta La Vista.
October 18th, 2008 at 9:15 am
Hammilton,
You seem to know so much about a guy you simply purchased a few video game items from. Please let us all know how you determined how smart Devain was from his broken English e-mails. I’m also sure that you know that he was still trying to make a deal with me until about a week ago and as you can see from my original post that was AFTER i made the post. He fell for my bait hook line and sinker and i enjoyed reeling him in for weeks. In fact here is an e-mail from the scammer one week from today still asking for the PS3 business.
XXXXXX
Once again, i give you the Stock pictures of PS3 60GB, with your name on the picture. I really hope this will be enough as proof, that i have the stocks on hands.
For PS3 price:
60GB = US$ 287,00 per unit
80GB = US$ 311.00 per unit
80GB Metal Gear Solid = US$ 311.00
All available in NTSC. Original, brand new, sealed on original box.
For the other products (Wii, FIT, Mario kart, wheel), please discuss with me for the price. I could follow as long as the price is reasonable. I could compete with the other suppliers.
Thanks. I will waiting for your reply.
Regards,
Devian
Why don’t you tell them about the stock pictures of the Wii fit you sent me as proof that you had those in hand. If you’re going to scam someone at least get a picture of the right vesion they are asking for.
As far as my name being stupid on here, well feel free to tell everyone what my real name and e-mail i used when talking to you. Besides i thought the name was funny considering what i was doing to you and if you want some info go to this website and read up on the historic sheriff that was fighting crime and cracking heads.
http://www.sheriffbufordpusser.com/
October 18th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
Hello Sheriff,
To be honest, i don’t see any connections between what i wrote and what you said. From the beginning, i just shared my story, and these bunch of people including you, started to cornering me. I am Hammilton, lived in Dublin.
Once again i said to you, if you or any other member here had a bad experienced with that man, i don’t think it’s my problem and i don’t think i should care about that. What i had, is different experienced. And there’s nothing wrong with that.
I just disagreed if this free blog been used for mislead information without any legit evidenced or verified proof. It’s a long walk to jump into conclusion. And for you sheriff, you may keep what you doing there. None of your foundation or activities are my concerned.
October 18th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
Hammilton, Deviansyah, or whatever your real name is:
Why don’t you please just come clean and explain what is it that drives you to pursue scams as a way of making money? Does it ever bother you that you are hurting other people with your activities? Do you get some type of emotional rush out of it or is it purely business for you – a lucrative way of making supposedly easy money?
I ask, because while I want vengeance from my past experience as a person who was scammed, my intellectual side simply is curious about the mind of the scammer.
October 23rd, 2008 at 11:45 pm
I came across this completely at random, but became very interested as I read. I can’t say that I’ve ever had any of the experiences mentioned in this blog… but thank you very much for giving the information. I’ll certainly be more cautious with online purchases for having read this.
And about “Hammilton”… why would someone NOT directly affiliated with the said scam become so involved with a blog warning against it? If his/her noticeable lack of proficiency in writing the English language doesn’t set off a few warning bells, then the eventual fallback on infantile insults (“You really dumb as your name Buffort” made me laugh out loud) should. I find it interesting also that he/she claims all of you are lying when you talk about your experiences with Deviansyah, as your experiences cannot be verified, yet holds his/her own (undoubtedly fictional) purchase as proof that Deviansyah can be trusted.
Hammilton, Deviansyah, Allan, or whatever name you feel like going by… I think that “perhaps all different names comes from your self. You just created different story and a different names.” Also, if “In some country, blogging is under strictly supervision. So anyone cannot put any mislead information or comments,” then you are obviousely not in one of those countries. And it is clear that when you said “None of your foundation or activities are my concerned,” you were blatantly lying. You must feel very uncomfortable, having information on what you really are available to so many potential victims…
October 24th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
I think i should give Gregory an applause. For his talents in examined people. Good Job Greg. But as you said, all of the information here cannot be verified in any ways. So…Keep blogging… All of us could using different names, different email, and different articles…but perhaps came from the same person. Just like you Greg.
November 10th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
Ok, here we go. I stumbled on this page while doing a search for the Famed Mr. Manoch that you are all blogging about. As of today though, the current website for Deviansyah K. Manoch: http://www.bayubuana.350.com no longer exists. I was taken by this man for $1325 for PS3 units that I never received. He still has the same email addresses as posted in an earlier blog but after complaining to http://www.350.com I noticed today that this site has disappeared. I have email after email from him and a Miranti saying that they would ship these to me through EMS and then after numerous complaints from me stating I had not received my product Devian himself said that EMS still had my order waiting at their warehouse and that after he returned from being out of town for over a week, spending my money no doubt, that he himself would take this shipment to DHL and ship it to me. AFter I threatened to notify the U.S. Embassy in Jakarta Indonesia in regards to him committing fraud he sent me a big sob story email stating that he was for real and that I would have my product by today. I then sent him another email stating that I would report him to the FBI Internet Complaint Center and after that he disappeared. Has not answered any of my emails nor did I receive any product from this man. I also copied and pasted the information found here and sent that to him in an email also, not including any of the names of the people who posted it of course, and he again sent me an email begging for my patience and understanding and that he would ship this himself. Anyway, today the website disappeared, he is not returning emails and has once again fallen off the face of the earth until he can come up with another scam.
November 10th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
Well, well, well. Guess what. I just for giggles clicked on the website again and low and behold it is back up and running. Whatever you do, do NOT deal with this man!! He will take your money and run the other way and you will never see your order.
December 6th, 2008 at 2:45 am
Dear PPl, yes you may read all this, I too have been scammed $2600 in the past on a site called diy trade, from a foreign sounding fella based in UK, Who knows if he was in UK but that is where i sent the money too……. After that, 4 years have past now and ive continued to make a living from buying from wholesalers and manufactures. If every on listened to these stories and got put off then what do yous stand to loose, Trust me its quite possibly more then your $2000, After been hurt once, ive learnt a valuable lesson, keep an eye out for the bastards, Ask yourself this would you send your money to a company that
doesnt have an independent website, seperate from the trade platform
no landlines, just mobiles,
sends you id, straight away
threatens to withdraw from the so called lucrative deal if you dont hurry and send $$$
is selling the latest craze, for a 10th of the real price you have seen it for
Ask for western union payment
If so then you are going to get robbed, i sure as hell wouldnt now, but in the past yeah i was all for it, and nieve me got burnt and it hurt, also one thing ive noticed these scammers seem to target people buying electronics, maybe change your angle and buy crafts from the little old lady in down town shenzen
December 6th, 2008 at 2:50 am
P>S, scammers use fedex to send there victim an email, which looks like the tracking number is ok and on the way, Check closer as its probably not
December 28th, 2008 at 2:04 am
we all know that most of the people here ever had an experienced being coned or fraud. Each days and each months we read about their story. But one thing in common is they have the same thoughts about how to getting cheap, original and brand new items.
There are few things i would like to share here:
does anyone really believed that someone out there could selling items far beyond market prices??? While those items we see everyday on our local mall or electronic shops. Each shops, each stores usually almost have the same prices. Perhaps the difference only $20 – $30 between one stores to another stores. Until someone came to us with their quotation, and tell us they could selling $100 – $200 difference than the market price!!! Do you buy this kind of silly story???? How much they bought the items at the first place? how much is the profits to them? It’s impossible right?
Take a sample of the hot products such as Apple iPhone 3G. Market price at the moment are between $600 – $1.000. Have a look on the Ebay, and you will surprise that no one selling those phones with $200 – $300. It’s far beyond of the market price. Then my question is, how could someone selling Apple iPhone 3G with price tag of $200 – $300????? It could be fake phones, or perhaps they don’t even have the phones (means they are scammers). But many buyers still believe that someone could selling at very low ridiculous price. And what happened next??? They got scam!!! Hello people, what makes you believe someone could selling iphones at $200 – $300?? Of course when you got a line contract with AT&T, Verizon, Sprint they could give you price tag of US$199 for 8gb and $299 for 16gb. Or if you go to China, they will give you price $200 even $100, but it’s an Apple iPhone 3G coming from China. Some of the future on the phones are not available. It cannot be registered on
any Apple web site for product registration. And of course they don’t have any warranty. Though i have to admit, that the phones are very similar with the real Apple iPhone 3g. It looks fantastic, you hardly can’t say if it’s fake. But when the phones turn on, you will know for sure. Would you guys open your mind just a little bit? I know that each of us would like to have bigger profits on our business. We keep searching for cheapest, reliable and trustable sellers. But we have to using our sense of business. If the price far beyond the market price, we should have some
questions mark. Their price should be more expensive then the market price. As they bought it from local stores, local shops, or black market or from some individual person. But THEY NEVER BOUGHT IT FROM OFFICIAL DISTRIBUTORS!!! An official distributors will only selling the items on their official store. If someone ever claimed they could selling 100 pcs, 200 pcs, 500 pcs etc. NO WAY!!! IMPOSSIBLE!!! We just cannot entering some Apple local store and buy all their stocks!!! NO ONE DO
THAT THING!!! People usually buying items from official store maybe 2 – 5 pcs only. On my experienced I never see with my own eyes, someone have many stocks on their office or warehouse, unless they are official distributors. I’ve been to several official distributors warehouse, such as IBM, DELL, NOKIA. Of course they have a lots and lots of quantity on their warehouse, since they are official distributors for some products. But individual person???? I NEVER SEE ANY PILE OF STOCKS ON
INDIVIDUAL WAREHOUSE. If they have stocks, perhaps only 20 – 50 pcs. The other thing you need to know is, the origin of the products. When Apple iPhone first time
released, it only selling on the US. Asian, Australia, and some parts of Europe still have to wait for another few months to get it. Even Asian country until today not available at all. It’s another questions mark for us, then how could someone from Asian selling the items which not available on their country???? Well, if we think positive, maybe they bought it few pieces from abroad and selling it again. And back to my statement above, individual could only have few pieces on their warehouse. Few means 10 – 20 pieces only. That’s it.. only few pieces. and if they have it, they must selling it on the market price or above market price. If it’s too low, then it’s good to be true.
Lets think about these phenomenon. I am not telling my self as an expert, but i need to share my thoughts with you guys here. Any comments, any suggestions we could sharing here also. Perhaps there are things i missed or not correct, but i guess there’s nothing wrong to sharing our stories right? Good luck and have a nice day. Make sense and be alert on any possible business.
January 16th, 2009 at 11:10 am
WARNING!!!!….ALL SCAMMERS HAVE BAD ENGLISH WHEN THEY ARE BLOGGING!
January 22nd, 2009 at 4:06 am
I am sorry to read from you all that you have been scammed by this Mr. Deviansyah K. Manoch, but thank you all for the replies on this forum.
I also had the intentions buying 5 Apple Iphones 3G 16Gb from this guy. He could even show me serial numbers of the Iphones which could be checked over the Apple website. During e-mail conversations everything was possible and I could ring him everytime I wanted. On my question if the products are 100% original Apple he convinced me that all iphones are authentic and original Apple. He didn’t have any intention to cheat or give false numbers. Furthermore, he provides the stock pictures which took about a week ago, to indicates that he do have the stocks on hands. By doing these 2 methods, he could convinced his clients from around the world.
So I asked him to send me the proforma invoice. There was his name on and so I found him on this forum.
On my e-mail telling him that I would only do business with him on the payment condition “after receipt of the goods” I have never had any respons.
So Mr. Deviansyah K. Manoch is still in business trying to scam more people. People be aware for this guy.
His internet address is now http://www.toko.350.com
TOKO
Jalan Sultan Hassanudin No. 45A
Tanggerang – Jakarta
Tel: +62857 81759918
http://www.toko.350.com
Bank details:
Bank Name PANIN BANK
Account Number 083 – 2 – 006077
Account Holder Deviansyah K. Manoch
Swift Code PINBIDJA
Bank Address Cilandak KKO
Good luck to everybody.
January 25th, 2009 at 8:31 am
COMMENT No. 1:
he could even show me serial numbers of the Iphones which could be checked over the Apple website. During e-mail conversations everything was possible and I could ring him everytime I wanted. On my question if the products are 100% original Apple he convinced me that all iphones are authentic and original Apple. He didn’t have any intention to cheat or give false numbers. Furthermore, he provides the stock pictures which took about a week ago, to indicates that he do have the stocks on hands.
It’s quite funny, if he’s doing scam, then how does he provides all of the information and proof?
COMMENT No. 2
ALL SCAMMERS HAVE BAD ENGLISH WHEN THEY ARE BLOGGING!
Does your statement includes to people from France, Germany, Holland, China, or any other parts of the world when they cannot speak English properly??? Hmm.. you must be from country called USA. I am not surprising then…. so HAPPY BLOGGING… WITH AMERICAN WAY….
January 25th, 2009 at 8:34 am
I think people here are too many talking about BS… where none of your stories are legal… it’s all based on opinions and can’t be trust for validation… So guys, HAPPY BLOGGING… That’s blogging it’s all about… when we could say about anything and about anyone…
January 26th, 2009 at 10:51 am
I am so glad to have found this blog. I was deciding to do business with an individual and alway to all kinds of searching to make sure that they have not scammed others. I did a google search on the company name I was given and nothing come up. Then I did a search on the email and I found this website. Thank you. He found me on Ecplaza. I also try and warn as many people as I can to check on the company and person prior to doing business. I always search for there website, email, business name, etc and put scam behind it. The information he used in his email to me is as follows:
From: cowecare@hotmail.com
To: allbrandsforless@hotmail.com
Subject: Apple 3G ECPLAZA
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 07:34:48 +0000
Good Afternoon,
Here is our offer for Apple iPhone 3G:
Price for Apple iPhone 3G
8gb = US$350
16gb = US$450
Firmware 2.0
Minimum order = 5 pcs
Ordering more than 5 pcs, i could give you 40% discount
Minimum order = 5 pcs
Delivery = by UPS or FEDEX
Leads time = 2 – 3 business days
Price including with shipping, custom duty and taxes. Attached below is the stock pictures with my MSN ID and few serial number, where you could checking the authenticity.
You may checking our website also at http://www.sentra.350.com
Thanks for your attention. Looking forward hearing from you soon.
Regards,
Devian
January 30th, 2009 at 8:45 am
I got cheated $799.95 by http://www.guccishop.net
I was paid to them for 5 pcs blackberry 7750 for USD159.99 but they never shipping my order.
BE AWARE http://www.guccishop.net PURE SCAMS… GOOD WEBSITE, BUT PURE SCAMS
January 30th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
Hello.
Guys did you made a deal with Ali Abdul from Indonesia. He sells iphones and modern computer components like gtx280, his web-sait: asahiglobal.e-basic.net.
Accept only wire transfer:
Account Name : Ali Abdullah
Account Number : 115 00 0513691 8
Bank Name : Mandiri Bank
Bank Swift Code : BEIIIDJA
Bank Country : Indonesia
cell phone: +622291109134
Streer address: Tarum Barat 34 Karawang Barat, Banten, Jakarta, Indonesia
what do you think can I trust him?
Thank you.
Regards,
Oleg
January 30th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
Oleg,
Apologies to everyone who lives in South East Asia, but I don’t trust anyone who is located in Indonesia in terms of conducting online business transactions. It’s not a racism matter, but a self protectionist dose of financial common sense.
Extreme caution must be exercised when doing online business with anyone from that region of the world. Unfortunately such countries have very lax criminal fraud enforcement and weak consumer protection laws that make it all too easy to get swindled by someone from a place like Indonesia. Perhaps one day the situation will improve, but until then, for your own sake, I’d advise you to stay clear.
Remember, everyone, if it looks too good to be true, it probably is.
January 30th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
Thanks for advice Raymond.
I would like to order iphones 3g and smth from little list below:
Nvidia gtx260
Nvidia gtx280
Nvidia gtx295
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 2.83GHz 1333MHz 12MB CPU
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9650 3.0GHz 12MB L2 Cache
could someone or you Raymond recommend me a trusted seller with reasonable prices?
regards,
Oleg
January 30th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
I think White is offended by my comment above. White, why would you purchase 5 Blackberry 7750’s from me when you can get them for so much cheaper? I have not sold even one because I don’t have enough profit to list it for less. If you purchased from me, you would have paid either by Paypal, money order, or check. If you did not receive your order, paypal would have put a dispute on it and you would have received the money back unless I could prove you received it. If you would have paid via check or money order, you could procecute me for mail fraud and government fraud. I don’t mess around with that. Here in the US, they will come after you for commiting fraudulant transactions. I have never scammed anyone at http://www.guccishop.net. I only accept secure transactions.
February 1st, 2009 at 12:55 pm
http://www.guccishop.net. BEWARE IT’S CHEATED WEBSITE !! HE TOOK MY $1.900 WITHOUT SHIPPING ANY GOODS. he was refused when i would like to use paypal. he’s asking wire transfer.
DON’T BUY ANYTHING FROM http://www.guccishop.net. HIS NAME IS MARCO !!!! SOMETIMES HE’S USING NAME AS SHARON, SHIRLEY OR DANIEL. HIS EMAIL ADDRESS allbrandsforless@hotmail.com (FREE HOTMAIL ACCOUNT).
MARCO, are you trying to defend your self????? SENT MY MONEY BACK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 12th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
If anyone does a search on my company name they will only find links where I have searched for genuine legitimate items. If I took that much time searching for items, why would I scam people. I try and help others from being scammed and by doing so, my company name is brought down. I have a company email address at sthompson@guccishop.net. I use allbrandsforless@hotmail.com when searching for items for my website. My name is Sharon, I am the owner of this company and Marco is my significant other. I don’t know who Shirley and Daniel are. I offer credit card payments, paypal, google, check or money order. My company is registered in the US and I have a tax id number. Please email me with any questions at either email address. Thank you for your time.
February 12th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
Sharon,
I’m not familiar with the specifics of your case and the scam allegations being levied against your site by disgruntled customers…but your website looks VERY suspicious based on my own personal “scam detector”.
If you are running a legitimate company, why not offer a more substantial contact information listing beyond a few sentences on the site? Your site offers no real way for people to contact you in the way of phone numbers and mailing address. Why not be more transparent and avoid the suspicions of impropriety created by not offering more identity verification?
February 12th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
Raymond, your advice was noted and corrected. Please review and give me any additional advice you can offer to help me achieve a better image. The discruntled person is not a customer but simply the company I ticked off earlier in this post. I guess it is pay back for listing there information.
February 12th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
Sharon,
I am actually quite impressed. I did not expect you to respond so quickly with updated, apparently proper contact details. Frankly you do fit the stereotypical mold of a scammer, at least on certain aspects. I know it perhaps is a bit too general to base suspicions on mere assumptions, but your proper English lended to your credibility. While it’s a broad generalization, many foreign scammers from places like Nigeria and Indonesia have terrible, almost comically bad English grammar. Oftentimes as soon as they start writing, their lack of proper English communication skills is a big tip off to a possible scam in the works.
Those who are running legitimate websites should not be afraid of divulging the appropriate business identification details. Only scam artists hide in the dark and are afraid of the light.
February 13th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
A new forum is now available – AlibabaScam.com – and it’s for everyone to post their experiences, tell people about fraudulent sellers, fake gold sellers, and raise awareness about Alibaba Scams. Please check it out, post your story, and let’s raise awareness so others don’t fall into the same Alibaba traps of alleged ‘gold’ sellers.
February 19th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
I’ve been scammed through Alibaba, but not in the same way. This guy turned out to be a con man from Washington DC. Tikiri Mayu Bogollagama had a company called Ceylon Hotel Development Group and claimed that he sold high-end hotel furniture for the Ritz Carlton and Four Seasons, etc. I wanted to serve a furniture reseller to high end resorts in the Caribbean. In all, lost thousands of dollars to this con artist. He had me wiring money to accounts in Sri Lanka (where the manufacturing plant and main office was, he claimed). I never received anything. I have been calling him, 2.0.2.2.5.5.8.5.6.4 and still nothing after 4 months. He always sounded so friendly, almost effeminate. I thought I could trust him, but turns out that he’s a master Ponzi Schemer. Go figure. Alibaba sucks.
February 25th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
hi my friends! as it’s become an everyone’s concern i join too on the search of information and the details about the scamming skills that this piece of turd called devian in order to cooperate with future devian’s victims i wanna tell you that i added him to my msn just to study his tactics and thus i want to post my conversation on msn:
Never give out your password or credit card number in an instant message conversation.
ladron says:
hello…
ladron says:
i just added you on my MSN…. may i know you?
hebomber@hotmail.com says:
hi my name is luis
ladron says:
Hi Luis…. how may i help you?
hebomber@hotmail.com says:
may i know your name
ladron says:
dev
hebomber@hotmail.com says:
where you from
ladron says:
Jakarta
ladron says:
how do you get my MSN?
ladron says:
what are you looking for Luis?
hebomber@hotmail.com says:
what products do you sell?
ladron says:
you may visiting my website at http://www.plasa.350.com
ladron says:
are you there Luis?
hebomber@hotmail.com says:
yes
ladron says:
all of our supplies are original
ladron says:
by the way, where you from Luis?
hebomber@hotmail.com says:
venezuela
ladron says:
okay
ladron says:
Caracas?
hebomber@hotmail.com says:
yes
ladron says:
so, any items you’re interesting ?
ladron says:
our HOT items now is the Apple iPhone 3G
ladron says:
feel free to sent me email if you have questions….. 350plasa@plasa.com
ladron says:
Luis…
hebomber@hotmail.com says:
what country are you from?
ladron says:
Indonesia
ladron says:
check our website for address
ladron says:
http://www.plasa.350.com/order.htm
ladron says:
any questions?
ladron says:
sent me email if you have questions… i need to go meeting now..
hebomber@hotmail.com says:
i Wnt to purchase 50000 usd in merchandise
ladron says:
on what items?
hebomber@hotmail.com says:
iphone
ladron says:
how many pieces?
ladron says:
hello?
ladron says:
what version are you looking for ? 8gb? 16gb? and how many pieces?
hebomber@hotmail.com says:
how many can i buy with 50000 8g
hebomber@hotmail.com says:
5000 usd
hebomber@hotmail.com says:
50000 usd
ladron says:
Price = 8gb = USD433 per pcs and 16gb = USD 511 per pcs
ladron says:
ordering more than 20 pcs, i will give you 40% discount
ladron says:
price including shipping with DHL, insurance, custom duty and tax
ladron says:
delivery = 2 – 3 days with DHL
ladron says:
Luis… are you there?
hebomber@hotmail.com says:
yes can you receive the money in cash
ladron says:
you mean transfer with money gram?
hebomber@hotmail.com says:
no in person
ladron says:
Fly and buy?
hebomber@hotmail.com says:
no
ladron says:
please explain to me
hebomber@hotmail.com says:
what city do you have the goods
ladron says:
Jakarta… on my warehouse
ladron says:
you can fly to come here
hebomber@hotmail.com says:
no i have friend in indonesia
ladron says:
okay… and?
hebomber@hotmail.com says:
i give the money to him and he meet you personally you deliver the goods to him and he deliver the money to you
ladron says:
our method of payment are with bank transfer or money gram
ladron says:
at the moment, i only have 5 pcs at stocks
ladron says:
for another quantity, i have to ordering from USA
ladron says:
my supplier in USA
hebomber@hotmail.com says:
al right but understand that it’s 50000 usd i want to invest in usa
hebomber@hotmail.com says:
in goods
hebomber@hotmail.com says:
sorry
ladron says:
i know… but we can starting with TRIAL ORDER if you want it
ladron says:
trial order 10 – 20 pcs… just to checking everything
hebomber@hotmail.com says:
i have to send someone to see your face to make sure who are in case that you scam me..
ladron says:
no problem… you can come here
ladron says:
fly and buy
ladron says:
we don’t dealing with agent…. you may come here for your self
ladron says:
okay… sent me email if you really serious… i have to go meeting now…
so be aware of this scumbag who doesn’t deserve to live.. i’ll keep on him and and may i will send someone to wherever lives in order to at las whack him up and blow his fucking head off!!!! sincerely yours the scammer terminator
February 25th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
If you want to start a pool and round up funds to hire an assassin to hunt this Deviansyah K. Manoch down and put him out of his misery, I’m all for it. Maybe I should start a “kill Deviansyah” Paypal fund on this blog or put out a bounty for his head.
I’m only half kidding….
February 28th, 2009 at 12:52 am
Wow…. someone killing somebody here…. Is that bad Raymond? How much can you afford to pay for bounty hunter? I am all for it.
February 28th, 2009 at 12:56 am
And it seems Raymond started to gathering funds…. Do you Raymond? I think all of us should give Raymond an applause. He finally got many participants on this blog, and many sympathy for his stupid blog. Once again, congrats to Raymond. you should starting to make your own blog…. Happy blogging… let me know if you needs extra funds for your foundation….I’m in…
February 28th, 2009 at 10:23 am
Chill out O’neill….if that is your real name…
Obviously I was just saying it in jest to vent my frustration at this Deviansyah loser, who has somehow remained ever elusive and able to continuously perpetuate his fraudulent crimes against countless victims. But if he were to somehow say…mysteriously get run over by a truck…or get hunted down by one of his vigilante victims….I wouldn’t get too terribly upset.
March 2nd, 2009 at 11:54 am
LOL… Raymond my man… You’re pretty slick.. aren’t you? You have a great ideas on how to gathered sympathy and emphasized so called “countless victims”… and recently you had an intention to gathering “countless victims” fund to get rid off this person deviansyah. Hmmm….is it true? How does the thing works?? I mean after you got the “countless victims” money.
I Fell For the Trap – Hook, Line, and Sinker is that what you said???? Hmmm…. it’s all because of your greed. And not using your common sense at all.
Well Raymond my man, keep going to get sympathy. Perhaps someday you got your own rewards. LOL… if you can get any of course… Ta..ta.. CIAO my man…
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:04 pm
To All greedy people. Open your eyes and using your common sense. THERE ARE NO CHEAP, ORIGINAL And BIG DISCOUNT ITEMS!! THERE ARE NO ITEMS SELLING MORE CHEAPER THAN THE MARKET PRICE.
TO YOU RAYMOND, I think you’re dumb and more than just a greed. And now you gathering sympathy from other people. Don’t you have something to do?? Such as J.O.B?? How old are you Raymond??
TO SCAMMER TERMINATOR: Could you tell me how to terminate scams? Are you having somekind of agency?? I am willing to joining into one of your activities and see if your agency as good your name.
March 3rd, 2009 at 12:29 am
O’Neill, or Deviansyah as you probably are.. (you certainly like to use different online personas)
I’m sorry…your identity is pretty easy to sniff out based on your rather unique style of English. I still have old email exchanges between you and I archived in my email account back when you successfully scammed me.
Yes you are correct, I was greedy back then and wanted something for nothing. And yes, perhaps it was my fault for falling for a scam at too-good-to-be-true prices. But that is why I am determined to expose your fraudulent activities and hinder your own criminal activities for the future. Hopefully this post will keep a running tally of all your fictitious names and scam websites so that anyone who Googles those names will stumble onto this site and be forewarned.
March 4th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
LOL… you are quite naif and i could see that you’re a young person trying to get an attention. Do you realized how easy to changed identity, names, email address or even bank account?? Well, but i appreciate with your efforts to help many people here. But one thing for sure, do not mislead them with your own predictions. You have to be precise with all information you might have about these guy.
Once again, this is just a blog. Nothing more than that. Enjoy it, as much as i enjoyed read the whole things.
April 8th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
Lol. Nice work Raymond. I was about to make a purchase from alibaba but now I will think again. Thank god you didn’t decide to not write this up… you have save countless people.
I find it hysterical that this guy keeps posting under different names with the same perceived writing styles. He should probably pay someone else to write for him with the money he stole from people. Funniest part was when he said he was from Dublin with that writing style… HILARIOUS!
I noticed a trend here. All the sites he is starting are .350 sites. The company that owns http://www.350.com is ZyNet Ltd. They are located out of the UK. We should get a warrant in England to get this guys registration info from ZyNet Ltd.
Oh and Sharon seemed legit BTW. She was actually going at it with “whites” who was just another alias for this scammer guy. He tracked down her site and started flaming her. “Whites” is the probable scammer not sharon. Or at least it seems that way
April 9th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
Hi, I have not posted in a while. I am working on a wholesale website that includes me and a team of honest wholesalers who will screen all companies wanting to list items. I want one place that buyers don’t have to worry about being scammed. It is going to take time, but I am determined. There are a lot of good companies in all countries, but these scammers are making it hard for us to trust anyone. If anyone, wants to help me with this website, please contact me. As O’neill said above, if it seems to good to be true, it probably is at least when it comes to branded merchandise. I have been sellling Apple Iphones, Blackberries and Nokias and make approx. $5/phone.
April 10th, 2009 at 10:34 am
Sharon,
Feel free to post some of these so-called reliable wholesale providers for us to examine if you’d like. I’d be curious to see if these sites are truly as reliable and trustworthy as you suggest. Sorry if I’m a bit skeptical…but I’ve been burned before and have become extremely paranoid with such matters. The world is filled with scammers, spammers, and evil schemers unfortunately.
For those in the United States like myself, my advice is to never do online business with anyone outside of the U.S., particularly in the wholesale merchandise setting, unless you have thoroughly vetted them 1000x over. There are more built in safeguards and avenues of recourse against scammers and thieves in the states. However, once your money has been stolen by an out of country scoundrel, your options are much more limited. Always be vigilant and yes, always remember….if it sounds too good to be true…it most definitely probably is.
Unfortunately, Sharon’s profit of about $5 per high demand electronic sounds very low, but from a true business standpoint, sounds about right….margins for those type of products are notoriously low…unless you have a warehouse and can purchase huge volumes of them at wholesale bulk prices. Most of the money from eBay powersellers who market these type of products comes from buddling activity. By paring low margin items like Ipods and cell phones with high margin items like ear phones, ear pieces, and Bluetooth ear products…you help to raise the margins of your sale items overall.
April 20th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
For those in the United States like myself, my advice is to never do online business with anyone outside of the U.S., particularly in the wholesale merchandise setting, unless you have thoroughly vetted them 1000x over.
What a funny statement….. check this out brother Raymond….you may think twice with your own statement about country so called USA….
SCAMMER ALERT “PCS WIRELESS”
We are DNMA66 LLC,www.33bid.com scammed by PCS WIRELESS NEW YORK,
ATTENTION ALL MEMBERS OF 33BID.COM
PCS WIRELESS ,NEW YORK CELL PHONE COMPANY
IS PROFESSIONAL SCAMMER COMPANY
WE ORDER NEW MOBILE PHONES AND THEY SENT TO US
USED AND FAKE PHONES.
WE SENT BACK FOR REPLACMENT OR REFUND THEY REFUSED AND LIE ALWAYS
WATCH OUT THIS COMPANY.
IF ANY ONE SCAMMED FROM THIS COMPANY JUST LET US KNOW ,WE WILL SUE
THEM AS FAST AS POSSIBLE AND WE WILL SEND LAWYERS TOMORROW.
———————————————————————-
SCAMMER COMPANY DETAILS&PERSONS:
Bill Schneider
PCS Wireless, Inc.
11 Vreeland Rd.
Florham Park, N.J. 07932
BillS@pcsww.com
http://www.PCSWW.com
Tel. 1.973.805.7400 Ext. 285
Fax 1.973.301.0975
April 20th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
I noticed a trend here. All the sites he is starting are .350 sites. The company that owns http://www.350.com is ZyNet Ltd. They are located out of the UK. We should get a warrant in England to get this guys registration info from ZyNet Ltd.
There are hundred even thousand similar free website services. Which you don’t need to registered at all.
April 22nd, 2009 at 10:29 pm
Great job with this blog Raymond. The is truly an eye opener. I was searching for some products on Alibaba very recently and was amazed that some vendor were providing quotations for branded electronics at substantially less then the retail value in North America. Most of these vendors had websites which seems to be pretty unprofessional and a little suspicious. I started searching online regarding the validity of vendors on Alibaba and found this blog. I will continue to search for wholesalers on Alibaba and related sites because there has to some honest folks out there. I make it a point to only deal with wholesalers that accept credit card. You can lose you money with any other payment method. As per my understanding Paypal only covers transactions done via Ebay. So if you decide to send funds to some dude in China (even if its a verified paypal account) you could end up losing everything.
April 24th, 2009 at 12:51 am
Dear Mr Raymond
I’m from Indonesia, i’m so sorry about what happen to you.
what can i do for you ?
I can report all happen to you to the Indonesia Police if you want.
and the police will find this man.
we will discuss about this on yahoo msg if you like at Kresna_Kwok@yahoo.com
Thanks
April 24th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Kresna,
Thanks for your offer but I actually did try to email the bank where the funds were deposited by the scammer and they were unable to help me. They suggested I make a report with the local police chief where the scammer resided. I tried calling the local police in the suspected area of Indonesia, but gave up when I realized that I really didn’t even know whether the address the scammer gave me was legitimate.
I’ve given up trying to track Deviansyah and other scammers down. It’s a losing cause so long as countries like Indonesia do not crack down harder on online criminals. Thanks for offering to help though!
April 30th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
Do Not Buy From These Three Companies:
Sender’s Contact Details Email: Henry Dunant rydunt789@lycos.com
Name: Mr Henri Siahaan Offline
Company: Command Robotech Group
Address: 379-382 Flourence st, Jakarta Selatan, Jakarta Raya
Country: Indonesia
Tel: 62-61-76727600
Fax: 62-61-76727600
Sender’s Contact Details Email: “tan yee tee”
Name: Ms Sharon Tan Offline
Company: SM Ltd.
Address: 4 Jalan Amino,, KL, KL
Country: Singapore
Tel: 65-97-936011
Fax: 65-
Sender’s Contact Details Email: Robert Beague etroniks@live.com
Name: Robert Beague
Company: http://www.etroniks.com
Address: Lutz
Country: FL
Tel: 813-531-5459
Fax:
May 1st, 2009 at 5:00 am
Sharon,
Did you get personally scammed by these sites? The Indonesia address is an automatic dead giveaway….savvy merchants and buyers should always remember – NEVER buy anything from an Indonesian merchant or anyone with an Indonesian address. The country is a hot bed of criminal illegal activity and the incompetent government and law enforcement authorities there have done very little to crack down on fraudulent activity.
Another scammer trick I’ve noticed being employed with greater frequency these days is the use of female names to lure in unsuspecting buyers. Oftentimes the female names are completely made up and designed to lull trusting buyers into a false sense of security. I guess we have a tendency to trust women more than men…I know I have that innate tendency.
May 5th, 2009 at 9:41 am
I was just scammed by Rizky Pasaribu—Mdn Pancing –Alibaba.com in Indonesia. It all started by looking for a Shimano Stella fishing reel. It is a high end spinning reel. The cost in the United States is $850.00. Pasaribu offered it to me for $230.00 including shipping. I also wanted to sell on EBay and make a large profit. After sending him the money by bank wire transfer, he emailed back stating that he accidently sent me five reels and wanted an additional $660.00. At that point I realized I had been scammed. After multiple emails back and forth stating that I would not send him any additional money without the original reel I purchased , he disappeared from the web.
I emailed Alibaba and said they would investigate the matter. Alibaba charges venders on their web site $3000.00 to belong and are reluctant to investigate them after being told of internet fraud. I had to close my bank accounts fearing they could withdraw additional funds from my bank. Bank information for mdn pancing is:
Name of the bank: Bank Mandiri
Name on the account: Johnson Pasaribu
Account number: 107-00-0549459-8
Swift code/IBC: BEIIDJA
Country : Indonesia
If you could post this information on your web site, I would appreciate.
May 20th, 2009 at 7:43 am
My sympathy goes out to those who’ve gotten conned. What a nasty experience that must be..
Scammers prey on the greediness/ignorance of people who think that it’s simple to make quick bucks, and such fraudulent activity has been going on for years and years. Well, think for yourself, if such money was thaat easy to make, why wouldn’t wholesalers just peddle their goods on ebay themselves?
I was also shocked that someone would actually suggest, even though in half-jest(?), all that stuff about calling a hit on that Devian guy or whoever he really is.
Yes, what he did was wrong, blahblahblah, but what good would killing him really do? I’d love to see scammers get caught and go to jail.
Just my two cents worth. For those who’ve been scammed, don’t turn bitter like some ‘victims’ here are.. just learn from your lesson and move on from it. Learn to be aware and alert.
May 23rd, 2009 at 8:53 pm
Thank you all for posting this vailuable information. I know all the people that read this appreciate it a lot even if they do not say so. I hate scammers, they are the scum of the internet and the world. I am currently browsing alibaba and am so happy I came across this blog. Now that i read all this Im going to leave that site alone. I was scammed for 250 on a apple iphone on the site called sell.com
The scammers screen name is stevenjones090 and he just changed his name to anthonyjohnson090. I contacted sell.com and they know he is scaming but have done nothing. I think that site is ran by scammers so stay away. This stevenjones090/anthonyjohnson090 is a piece of sh*t. On his ad he states that his proceeds go to breast cancer which they dont, it goes into his pocket. What a low life. I can not image how a person like that can live with themselves. Also on sell.com stay away from screen name redon email is kevinoneil19@yahoo.com. I have caught him in multiple lies about his name, age, number and address. I have name, number, and address for him also if n e one wants it. On ioffer stay away from screen name jfksbm, email jfksbm@yahoo.com. She/He is a scammer. And also on ioffer stay away from screen name duraj email is enajur@yahoo.com. I have names, numbers, and address for both of them if n e one wants it just ask.
Here is some info on stevenjoness090 and anthonyjohnson090 they are the same person.
Steve E Jones
10069 Branford Rd
San Diego, CA 92129
858-484-3957
Age:22
stevenjones090@gmail.com
stevensmith050@gmail.com
arlestermcdonald@gmail.com
and:
Anthony Johnson
113 Schiller St.
Reading, PA 19601
610-372-4633
anthonyjohnson090@gmail.com
Im thinking of creating a website that will allow victims of scammers to post their story and info of that scammer. Once again thank you all for creating the awarness.
May 23rd, 2009 at 9:44 pm
As Indonesian i sad when read this forum. If anyone of you need escort when dealing with people in indonesia. let me know how to help you. call me in my number +6285297639847. May not all indonesian like you all said.
Terima Kasih
June 4th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
Mirota Shop Electronics & PayPal SCAM
On April 23, 2009 I purchased a Sharp LCD 65 inch TV from Mirota-Shop out of Indonesia. Their website is http://www.Kusnak.com and http://www.mirota-shop.com is located on several search websites. I called PayPal before ordering and they informed me this company had been with them a long time and had many orders filled in the price range of mine, $2,900.00 US, and that they had no complaints. I sent money to PayPal and the seller, Andrea Thenavi, sent me a link to Buana Cargo (Express) who was supposedly transporting the TV to my home in California. I followed the voyage via Buana’s website and tracking number. When it supposedly arrived in Oceanside, my hometown, after about 7 days travel (which was rather quick) it was listed as delivered. Of course, I did not receive it yet. I emailed the seller and the cargo company and neither would respond, so I filed a complaint with PayPal. After 30 days of dickering with them, they informed me that the seller never responded to any of their email requests and that they ruled in my favor. However, the seller had no money in their account to retract for me. Now my only revenge is to make it known that the Mirota Shop is a scam outfit and PayPal cannot and will not protect the consumer.
MIROTA SHOP – SUN PLAZA MALL
Jl. H. Zainul Arifin No. 7, Level 2. Medan, Indonesia 20111
Phone: 011-617-697-9630 , Fax: 617-697-9629 , Hotline: 081-962-8364
Also: 011-620-061-3039-4290 http://www.kusnak.com
Order : order@mirota-shop.com Payment : payment@mirota-shop.com
Andrea Thenavi and Dika Prima
June 12th, 2009 at 8:20 am
Wow, I was just going to invest in Trustpass and Gold membership on Alibaba.com but seeing the reputation Alibaba is developing, I think I will pass. Afterall I accept payment only by Bank wire Transfer which has been demonised beyond imagination. I
June 12th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
Do not trust or believe any information on Alibaba. Sellers on alibaba can use any company’s name as the supposed seller. Our company just received a call yesterday from someone inquiring about an item that we supposedly had for sale on alibaba. Up until then we had never even heard of alibaba. We went to the website and saw numerous items listed for sale with our company name and address listed as the seller but we have nothing to do with the items listed and there is no Richard Wellison employed by our company. Our company is in the process of trying to have the items removed but I don’t know if we will be successful. This situation is absolutely outrageous. If someone buys one of these items they are going to get scammed and they’re going to think our company is the one who scammed them. I am sure the name Richard Wellison is an alias and I don’t know where the emails are going if someone tries to contact what is supposedly our company, but they are not going to us. I urge anyone out there to avoid doing business on this web site.
June 12th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
Karen,
I’m uttered convinced that Alibaba.com is a completely unregulated and un-monitored sham. The company is run by a China-based organization – and that in of itself should immediately set off alarm bells. Chinese authorities are not known for cracking down on piraters or fraudulent criminals. The dictatorial regime’s rulers are professional experts when it comes to being aggressively vigilant in their violent efforts at stopping freedom of speech and stamping out political dissent, but the authorities are completely retarded when it comes to investigating bona-fide online computer crimes. If the private company and managing government don’t care, it’s just going to get worse and worse.
Hopefully we can help spread the word about Alibaba and the scams that are being perpetrated via their service.
June 12th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
I also got scammed by stevenjones090/anthonyjohnson0. Filed claim with my Credit Card company. This person is now operating http://www.premiumelectron.com site. He has two new addresses premiumelectro@gmail.com and premiumelectron@gmail.com Some with just renewed this site at http://www.godaddy.com using the following information:
Melanson, Nora
premiumelectro@gmail.com
2556 Hart Country Lane
Augusta, Georgia 30901
United States
(706) 584-1566
June 15th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
why this o’neil guy is very upset about raymond exposing the scammers. I bet you he’s probably one of them.
June 22nd, 2009 at 12:35 pm
oppsss… now even USA got scammer….
June 22nd, 2009 at 12:38 pm
SCAMMER COMPANY DETAILS&PERSONS (ALL COMING FROM USA): Really? USA??
Bill Schneider
PCS Wireless, Inc.
11 Vreeland Rd.
Florham Park, N.J. 07932
BillS@pcsww.com
http://www.PCSWW.com
Tel. 1.973.805.7400 Ext. 285
Fax 1.973.301.0975
Melanson, Nora
premiumelectro@gmail.com
2556 Hart Country Lane
Augusta, Georgia 30901
United States
(706) 584-1566
Anthony Johnson
113 Schiller St.
Reading, PA 19601
610-372-4633
anthonyjohnson090@gmail.com
June 26th, 2009 at 3:00 am
I had actually been looking into “premiumelectron.com” since about june 11th ever since i got an email about the website. I contacted the email given on the website and talked to some guy (i have his “name” and “address” along with their “warehouse address” in my email”) and i asked many many questions trying to prove authenticity in the website but never quite felt comfortable enough to risk my money on it. During this i also did some quite extensive research, also finding out about “Nora Melanson” who’s name does exist, neither did the address exist, and the phone number went to some “Augusta Bell South pre-completion termination” when i called it. I actually just posted this on their website as a comment making some pretty good points but it says its awaiting moderation so it most likely won’t get approved, but here it is for everyone else to see.
Comment:
So you all are still up? I’m surprised!!!
So how many people have you scammed by now?
Here’s just a few of the signs I picked up from a little bit of research:
1. Haven’t had any activity on the website since the eleventh of June.
2. “Nora Melanson” doesn’t exist, neither does the address. (That’s the name this website was originally registered to through http://www.godaddy.com, but must’ve changed it after i reported invalid/fake information to godaddy and them replying that they thank me and will try to contact “PremiumElectron” to get current information).
3. The email given on http://www.godaddy.com for this website is different than the one listed here.
4. The phone number given on http://www.godaddy.com is invalid and does not work.
5. No proof of this being an actual business, not on this site, not anywhere else on the internet.
6. Messed up description information like under the 3g 16gb white iphone it says “NEW UNLOCKED APPLE IPHONE 3G PHONE 16GB BLACK”, and also “UNLOCKED BLACK 16GB Apple iPhone-White.”
7. Unprofessional web layout, along with a non secure(not https://, having the lock symbol on the address bar also) page to type all your information in besides credit card number.
June 29th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
Someone mentioned jfksbm@yahoo.com, I was dealing with someone that sent an invoice with that email address on it. Anyone have any other details about this address.
July 15th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
I was just scammed of $450 by jfksbm@yahoo.com under the name of Karen Keller or Karen J Stalker from Cleveland OH. On eBay the sell under the seller id name of: dawng3_123.
The email addresses used by this MF are: jfksbm@yahoo.com / kdawns30@gmail.com / kellkare@yahoo.com stay away from anyone with these email they are scammers.
Someone on this tread named Eric had mentioned the above email and asked if anyone was interested in the identity of this low life scammer to inquire about it.
Well, I want to know who took my money.
Thanks to anyone who can help stop this F#@%* scammers.
July 15th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
I guess scammers now all over the world. Including our beloved country, USA.
July 17th, 2009 at 7:17 pm
Karen Keller aka Karen Stalker (supposedly her maiden name) is also now using jfksbm@gmail.com Selling on eBay as dawn3g_123 also now as 89marydankom89 who I think is the same person that was selling on there a couple of months ago going by k1pop1977 on ebay with email of k1pop1977@yahoo.com
I have corresponded with both and the writing style, syntax, non capitalization of anything, always sent from her/him verizon wireless blackberry is the same.
Her supposed address is 9709 Firelands Dr. Twinsburg, OH. 44087 with a phone number of 440-289-6597. This information was obtained today if it helps anyone, I know the above information has helped me avoid being scammed. She/He is very smooth and likable, well spoken and re-assuring so beware…….
July 19th, 2009 at 7:36 pm
Ha! Score one for the honest people!! 89marydankom89 Karen Keller, Karen Stalker what ever her name is had her Auctions removed today by eBay’s fraud dept. Appears from my research she/he/them had several user names: dawng3_123, gimmemypuppy, johnnystuff440, k1pop1977, meyerjack82, 3308960john and 440karnestuff as they are all tied together in the feedback, buying each others items in order to artificially inflate their feedback ratings. Hopefully this will help others.
July 19th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
http://www.ripoffreport.com a site by consumers for consumers to report the kind of things that can help someone else not fall victim to the scam and rip off artists out there.
July 28th, 2009 at 11:40 pm
Greetings all,
after reviewing this long blog from the very beginning to the very last post, i want to post some comments myself.
Firstly, I’m from Indonesia too and have recently came across the website run by this Devian guy. The current website is at http://www.plasa.350.com. I have been trying to find a reliable online supplier or wholesaler that can supply me iphone 3G or 3GS and blackberry bold or javelin with good prices. These are currently very hot selling items in my country. I’ve searched alibaba, local (Indonesian) ads and many other websites. Until now, I can’t seem to find a reliable one coz for one thing, all of the supplier/wholesaler only deals with money transfer via western union or moneygram. I recognized this as the main scammers’ method of trying to rip people off.
Then, just 2 days ago, I came across this http://www.plasa.350.com which is run by Mr.Devian. I was surprised that there’s a company in my own country that can supply these products at such low prices. This is what he offered me:
Dear Ferdy,
You could have both written in English or Indo. As i could speak both
of them. For inquiry:
Apple iPhone 3G:
8gb = $537.00 (Hitam) -> means black
16gb = $564.00 (Hitam dan putih) -> means black and white
Apple iPhone 3GS:
16gb = 646.00 (hitam) -> means black
32gb = 711.00 (hitam dan putih) -> means black and white
NO MOQ
SHIPPING= 2 – 3 days directly from our supplier in Minnesota, USA.
ALL ITEMS ARE PRE ORDER, as we don’t have any stocks in here.
Thanks for your attention.
Regards,
Devian
I almost fell for the trick too, considering the prices are not SIGNIFICANTLY lower than those being sold on ebay or other merchants. Usually if i see that the prices for iphone 3G are around $200, i will ignore that straight away. I exchanged about 15 emails with him. He was very convincing, agreed when I ask him to meet in person, he even wants to visit me at my office. However, whenever I talk about payment method, he always points me to bank transfer. I told him, what if you order 1 or 2 items first, then i pay you when we meet? He always eludes this and said he had bad experiences whenever he pre-order the items. Then, I did some research, I phoned the office complex where his “Office” is supposed to be. To my surprise, the management of the complex said that there’s no such address there. His address is at:
Kawasan Industri MM2100 Blok DD-17 Cikarang Barat
Bekasi, Indonesia, 17520
You guys can check the website of the complex at http://www.mm2100.co.id/ and ask if there is such thing as Blok DD-17 and they will say NO.
What should I DO? Should i go ahead and meet this guy in person? I bet that he will not be the one who’ll come and meet me.
I know that my country’s reputation is being badly tarnished by this guy, but that doesn’t mean that everyone from Indonesia are bad. Sometimes, i noticed that on some website, people various country posted some random address and put Indonesia as the country of origin.
I write this comment without any kind of purpose. I’m just another newbie with intention of becoming successful with the internet business. I’m trying to find a reliable and good online merchants/supplier/wholesaler who can supply me with electronics products especially iphones, blackberry products. If anyone here can help me, it’ll be very much appreciated.
I’ve also been burnt many times and have learnt my lesson. For me, this blog is actually quite useful for people who wants to start venturing into online businesses. Good luck to all… God Bless U all.
August 1st, 2009 at 1:08 am
What is the solution? Where can we source quantity merchandise from reputable wholesalers? In the US, the are NO wholesaler websites the come up on Google that are NOT scams in some way or another. This leaves us with only word of mouth brick and mortar firms, which we can learn of from others whom we know– the traditional method.
Any tips?
August 1st, 2009 at 1:18 am
There are legitimate wholesalers out there, but they are not readily available to most people. I have a close friend who runs his own ebay home business. He sells primarily brand name laptop computers and random accessories on eBay using his wholesale connections. His short list of ,legitimate whole sellers is a very closely guarded secret and is something that most of us will never be able to acquire. How his wholesellers are able to sell him the products at such cheap bulk prices is beyond me – but it’s been going on for years so I assume it’s legitimate.
August 2nd, 2009 at 8:54 pm
also read Ripoff Article
this is just an example of scammer not from my country Indonesia.
Cheers… be careful out there guys, more and more scammers everyday.
August 11th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
Thanks Shawn, I have been pursuing the recovery of my $450 via the payment site that I used mpayy.com they are trying to go after Karen D Stalker’s bank account to recover the money. We’ll see what comes out of it, thank you again for all the great info about this ugly MF, I believe in Karma and I know what goes around comes around, justice will prevail.
August 16th, 2009 at 10:43 am
I’ve never heard of scammers from Ukraine. That’s just simple, Ukrainians dont sell goods on Alibaba, I never found one. i know these people, they are not more liers than brits and americans are.
August 16th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
the biggest sins of all, is where you are so eager to get more profits from such cheaper items.. which never exist on any b2b website.. almost 90% sellers on b2b website are mostly scammers. just for example, some sellers selling iphones for only $200 how could this be real??? while on authorized distributor the price is $800. but still, a lots of people trying to get this $200 iphones. and finally they got scammed.
BUY FROM ORIGINAL STORE… that’s more safe… but again, NO PROFITS…. LOL
August 19th, 2009 at 9:53 am
i got scam by this xitealibaba.com pretending to laptops i got lured in this site due to the very price, pls do not deal with this people. they got aroung $450.
this used this new mobile +8613666319052
First name: Jian
Last name: Cai
City: Weihai Shandong
Zip code: 264200
Country: CHINA
now they use yahoo messenger to lure their potential buyers
thanks,
czar
August 19th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
it’s really pitty to see all of those non sense articles above. well, perhaps devian ever done some mistakes.. but lucky me, I GOT MY $2000 BB parts order last week. as he really shipping the order to me. LUCKY ME!!!
Again, i agreed with some of the articles above, said that this is only a blog, where sometimes people written something bad about someone for any reasons…. Be good guys… what you’ve written here could giving effect to someone and crush someone’s business…
August 20th, 2009 at 12:31 am
non sense articles well good for you if you got your items i am not trying to destroy somebody’s business if they are legitimate the one im telling is really true if you dont want to believe me fine. im just giving a warning to all potential buyers. before making transaction please make a complete research on the web type in scams on alibaba.com then you will see what im talking about. if they are really true on their business i was trying to get the tracking number for the package, their was no comment. i called them twice the first call she was not there, after 5 hrs i called back with the same number they answered they its a wrong number and the one im looking for is not connected there. there was someone giggling so what do you think is that? 9 out of 10 in alibaba.com are scammers so dont deal with thieves. did you know the word alibaba in arabic means thieves, rubber.
i hope my unfortunate experience with this site will give a warning.
dont send money thru western union, money gram. use paypal.
czar
August 21st, 2009 at 12:41 pm
Czar, if you really good in handling your business… you wouldn’t got scammed right? Now, USA, EU, Asia all countries got many scammers. using any possible ways of payment. even paypal also got problems (i have read some articles on alibaba about paypal). i think any payment still have a risk either for buyers or sellers. depends on what situation.
August 21st, 2009 at 12:46 pm
and Helooo… alibaba is an old cartoon character from Arabian… just like Sinbad, Pinokio, etc…. try to search on internet Czar…don’t be smart ass…
August 21st, 2009 at 11:01 pm
well im not a smart ass like you im in the gulf right now for your your imformation ( alibaba ) the cartoon character is a thief dont know. and if you will in inquire here the word alibaba i a thief.
August 22nd, 2009 at 12:38 am
Thank you so much for sharing your experience-bad but helped a lot. Wish someone can share good ones too ? There are too many bad onse that I’m not even sure if I should just give up or be so extra carefull that I would never be able to trust enough to send money to all possible Devians out there. I’ve had lost money buying from DHGate, paypal, escort blablabla—received fake items, returned them with $38 out of my pocket for shipping, still waiting for refund. Paypal can’t help-not bought on Ebay-DHGate is not responding….Well, leason learned.
Did google an honest, serious and trustable businessman and guess what? FUND him here being talked about by so many of you! O my God and I was almost to make the same mistake you did. THANK YOU!!
Leason #2: Just because of leason #1 I got smarter-BRAVO me
Here is the latest Devian’s activity:
We do understand with your concern about first time business. As
>>>> always fist time is the hardest time. But with all do respects, please
>>>> not to thinking that we are like any other people. We are here looking
>>>> and establishing business relationships with any clients. On legal and
>>>> respective ways. There’s no such intention to cheat or rob our
>>>> client’s money.
>>>>
>>>> For payment, if you cannot do wire transfer, we have alternative such
>>>> as money gram. This method is fast and easy. takes about minutes to
>>>> transfer.
>>>>
>>>> I could accept trial order, however i will need 5 pcs for MOQ (minimum
>>>> order). Why i need 5 pcs for MOQ? Just because we have to pay and
>>>> covering the costs of shipping, insurance, custom duty and taxes. As
>>>> all of our prices are inclusive with those costs. Therefore we need 5
>>>> pcs MOQ. Hope you understand that.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your attention.
>>>>
>>>> Devian
>>>> PLASA350
>>>> http://www.plasa.350.com
>>>> 350plasa@plasa.com
>>>> plasa350@gmail.com
>>>> Tel: +62813 82129088
There is no way I could hurt him in any way than just let him believe he’ll get my money and finally take it back to my pocket by telling him that I did know about him all along.
What else could I do? Or would you like me to do? No guaranties anything would work as he might be reading it now.
Best regards to all of you and good luck with your business.
Senchi
August 22nd, 2009 at 12:52 am
Well I’m glad this article is helping others out there avoid getting suckered into these online scams. Greed is good in the sense that it motivates us healthily in a capitalist society, however greed can also make us blind to the seemingly blatant scams out there.
As for Deviansyah the scammer, as I mentioned before, if someone were to visit Indonesia or wherever he really lives, track his real identity down and hunt down the location of his home and resort to violence, I wouldn’t be sad whatsoever.
In fact, I would be quite appreciative and rather pleased. I’m not encouraging anyone to do so – just saying that I would be personally happy and overjoyed to get the good news of his demise or injury. Online scammers and thieves deserve capital punishment if you ask me. Obviously, I am just venting out loud.
Deviansyah robbed me of over $2000 when I was just in my early 20’s and that amount of money was quite a lot to me at the time. This crime is unforgivable.
August 24th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
i agreed a bit with Robert. it seems only Raymond got experienced being robed by devian (when he was just in early 20’s) which is long gone by now. the rest of the member here, only got scared because of what raymond says about devian.
I think it’s quite not fair. just because of raymond got bad experienced, the other person talks as if they had same experienced as raymond. Come on… be fair to people who might read this article…. we cannot condemn someone’s fault that happened few years ago, and still punished him until today…
August 24th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
Raymond,
Our friend Devian haad just contacted me and since he is writing about you I though you might be interested to read. I guess it doesn’t really matter any more whatever happend happened we can’t change it but can help other people not to make the same mistake.
Regards,
Senchi
From: Plasa 350
To: xxxxxxxxxx@ymail.com>
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:55:17 PM
Subject: Re: iPod Touch IMPORTANT
i did posted apologize to Raymond before, but he’s wiped the articles
for some reasons.. i even had intention to refund his money, but he’s
refused… so don’t tell me not to do anything..
On 8/25/09, Plasa 350 wrote:
> if i do bad things, really do bad things… perhaps you could explain
> to me, how could i get stock pictures with my MSN ID or even with my
> name on it???
>
> but once again, if you wanna believe those articles and become freaks,
> it’s your own call. I am not trying to stopping you at all.. Good luck
>
> On 8/25/09, Plasa 350 wrote:
>> Dear xxxxxxx
>> i had read all your comments on some blogs. If you wanna believe those
>> articles, please do it. I admit, that i’ve done such a bad things in
>> the past, but it was past already. I did some business also with
>> several clients, and i did in legal way. So please not playing games
>> with me. I know what you did and said something bad about me. Actually
>> I’m not robbing you at all.
August 24th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
now i have the answer, about why several of my clients avoiding to do business with me. it’s all because of this articles. Raymond, you’ve really got me by doing this. but not really got me though. i still have many clients which not reading this stupid articles. what’s your intention Raymond? get symphaty? ohh please, don’t do this silly things. You even wrote on other blog and pretending to become someone else, so people will see I did a lots a lots of mistakes. IT’S CRUEL DUDE…
Didn’t you remember that I’ve tried to solve the problems with you few years ago???? but then you refused it. I even made some arrangement with you the other day, but still you refused me. it seems that your intention is trying to crushing and destroying me. As i told you, you’ve got me but not really got me. Keep playing these games Raymond. And I will always be here to against you also. Lets play.
several days ago, i even got lunartics Russian try to blakmailed me by asking $100.000 and treat me on any possible ways. When comes to evidence, which he claimed he had, it turns that he’s using all this non sense articles against me. FUCKING CRAZY… By only reading this blog, and he’s trying to blackmailed me. Not mentioned to any other people here, who’s also against me just because reading your articles. DO YOU THINK THIS IS FAIR ENOUGH FOR ME RAYMOND?? Okay, i will accepted if you think it is. NONE OF ANY PEOPLE ABOVE HAD THE SAME EXPERIENCED LIKE YOU RAYMOND!! BUT all of them becomes freaks and scared to do business with me, just because of your damn articles.
IF I STILL DID THE SAME THING, AS I DID TO YOU, I WOULD BE CHANGING MY IDENTITY, MY BANK ACCOUNTS, MY EMAIL, ETC. SO NONE OF YOU COULD TRACING ME. BUT I DON’T DO IT AT ALL !!! I’m STILL USING THE SAME NAME, SAME BANK ACCOUNT, SAME EMAIL, SAME ID. I am not running and going anywhere from where i sat last time. It’s so easy for me to change everything, but why should i do???? NO REASONS!! As I’m Not illegal.
SO, Raymond… LETS PLAY YOUR GAME. TO ANYONE ABOVE, Please don’t said something as you had the same experienced as Raymond.
August 24th, 2009 at 10:54 pm
Deviansyah,
I no longer actively engage in selling products on eBay auctions for profit so I don’t know what you are referring to. Obviously your little scammer games are still ongoing after all of these years. It’s quite a shame. I had thought perhaps you would have finally reformed due to guilt, but I guess not.
“Made some arrangements with me the other day” —- what are you talking about? I have not been in communication with you so please cut it out with your petty lies. You are quite the clever deceiver I must say, even after so much time has passed.
Once a scammer, always a scammer I suppose. One day you will get what’s coming to you.
August 25th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
I must said, that I’m kinda miss you Raymond. Missed the way you speak about me, missed the way you mentioned any bad things about me. You may refused for what happened between us, you may even could saying anything you want.
For all people read this blog, we had a dispute few years ago (5 years to be exact). but not all comments here against me.
Raymond, keep blogging my friend. FYI i did legal business also.
August 25th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
i just found this blog, and from now on, i will defending my self with any of your comments Raymond. So people will know what really happened 5 years ago. I begin to think, that this whole things become personal to you.
To all beloved friends who’s been effected by Raymond’s blog:
Victor, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Buffort T. Pusser, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Zotyak, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Stan, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Valdazzar, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Gregory, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Sam, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Paul, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Sharon, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
this_is_too_funny, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
scammer_terminator, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Melissa, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO
Ferdy, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO!!
Senchi, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO!!
Look at all above names Raymond. NONE OF THEM EVER LOST THEIR MONEY BECAUSE OF ME!! But then they got freak out because of you articles. Do you think this is fair for me???
And for SENCHI, Why don’t you using your REAL NAME (SENADA)???
August 25th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
I think i begin to love this blog. Hey, SENADA, or SENCHI… please using real names when blogging. Are you hiding something? I am here and always be here to facing you all.
August 25th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
both of us got FANS right Raymond? Some people against you, and some people against me. So lets play our games Raymond. See the final score.
August 25th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
Devian,
You are sick. All of us did not lose any money because of Raymond- he wrote about you. You would take it otherwise!
You have FANS?! Sick! Criminals do not have fans.
Are you mad because Raymod is telling us the true about you or because you did not get money out of me and these people you had mentioned above?
Please translate this for me: ” please using real names when blogging.” If I got it correctly you are complaining for us not using real names??!!!
And why would I hide my name? I did not do nothing wrong!! WHO are you to tell me what name to use?! YOU ARE SICK!
August 26th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
Senchi or whatever you are… i think you have missed my meaning of all the above articles. I had mentioned about many names that actually never had any experienced like Raymond did, but all of them including you, has written something bad about me and pretending like all of you are the victims as well. I had mistaken before, but that doesn’t mean i am still doing the same thing right? So why all of you guys here judging me as if I did the same thing as i did with Raymond before???? Answer me…
I don’t see any reasons why you should hiding your names when blogging. obviously you have another agenda by using fake names when blogging. It might be you wrote all articles above and creates many names. so other people think that i did robed many many people.
Again, this is blogging. anyone could say anything. and could using any names as they want it.
I’m sick??? I don’t think so. I think you got paranoid too much… take a deep breath dude.. chill out… i never think to stealing someone else money here. i just fed up many people think that i still did what i did to Raymond before.
August 26th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
Criminals?? is that what you called me Senchi?? based of what? have i ever steal your money?? answer me? NO right? So why you called me criminals?? Do you also call ex con people just get out of jail as criminals?? Ex criminals maybe….
FANS means, some of the people above not against me at all. But some against me including you.
Once again, mind your own business Senchi. i have never taking anything from you. And i never taking anything to anyone above. But i did mistake with Raymond 5 years ago. NOT TO ALL OF THE PEOPLE HERE. Hope you will understand with your narrow minded and judge mental personality.
August 26th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
again, here is the list of people THAT I NEVER CHEATED OR DID SOMETHING BAD:
Victor, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Buffort T. Pusser, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Zotyak, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Stan, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Valdazzar, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Gregory, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Sam, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Paul, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Sharon, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
this_is_too_funny, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
scammer_terminator, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Melissa, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO
Ferdy, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO!!
Senchi, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO!!
But these people got paranoid and freaks after reading articles from our beloved friends, Raymond.
TO RAYMOND:
Would you still refused me if i pay your money back? Even if i pay you back, how will you recovery my names after that? since all people here called me Criminals…
August 26th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
Deviansyah:
If you compensate myself and ALL of the other victims for the money you stole in the past and present, yes I would remove this blog post. All we ask is to have our money returned, but you instead run away like a little coward.
But if you wanted to reform and apologize for your crimes, you would have done so already without my prompting. Clearly, you are simply reverting back to your little scammer ways again. I am very familiar with your deceptive ways and I do not trust anything you have to say. You are a liar and a deceiver to the core. And a very skilled manipulator. One day you will receive your just deserts.
If I never receive back the funds that you fraudulently stole from me years ago, at the very least, I will rest happy knowing that this blog post will forever stand as a warning post to all that deal with you in business transactions – Beware Of Deviansyah K. Manoch the scammer.
Thank you for reaffirming my faith in the power of the Internet. Clearly, the fact that you have resurfaced from your little cockroach cave to cry and whine about the complaints being levied against you, this blog post has done a very splendid job of warning other prospective buyers of your fake goods.
August 27th, 2009 at 4:55 am
Woah! This article is huge! I’m glad I was able to read this before I made a transaction in Alibaba.com.
And yes, I believe that people who offer unbelievably low prices are just out to get our money.. Let us not be fooled. And we must learn to control our greed.
To Raymond: Good job man! With the experience that you posted, it stopped me from making a too-good-to-be-true transaction. Whew! Everyone of us here are with you. Don’t get scared with that scammer Devian.
To Devian: Stop scamming man. That’s not good. It’s not cool. Do you know karma? Or do you know God? In the end, you’ll pay for the things that you did. But maybe not in this world..
August 27th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
Hello Jay, Raymond, or whatever… just wondering how you find this blog so quick. When i had issued with Raymond, suddenly there are many people posting comments out from no where. Hmmm… would it be a same person wrote this articles…? we never know..
August 27th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
To Devian: Comment sense. You ask how I came across this article? Try google. Type in the words “alibaba scam” in the search box and presto! Search result number 3 leads to this article.
I am also from Asia (though not from Indonesia), and it pains me to see things like this wherein our reputation as a continent is ruined to the core. People like you make Asians look like swindlers and robbers to people who are not from our part of the world. Stop it man.
I also agree with Raymond when he said that “Once a scammer, always a scammer I suppose.” Scammers who were exposed by their victims tend to ask for sympathy and make amends for what they’ve done. Which is a futile effort since people will never again trust a liar, a scammer, and a fraud.
August 27th, 2009 at 11:51 pm
Wow..is been quite sometime and this list is still on-going. Interesting…
To Senchi: The info you mentioned signed off by Devian, with the url: ( http://www.plasa.350.com ) is no longer available after a few days which I saw it done in quite a professional and conceiving ways. Unfortunately it doesn’t seems the case.
August 28th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
To Jay: Thanks for your comments. really amazed to read your expert judgement.
To Knight: Those website are only for temporary offline. It will be online soon again by next week.
August 28th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
I had read over and over and over again to any comments above. But can’t find any other person besides Raymond who got cheated by me. As i admit, it was a mistake for what happen with Raymond. But since then, i have never do anything wrong. For what i see above, it’s only Raymond had a problem with me before.
Come on please see from black and white side. What’s true is true, and what’s wrong is wrong. I am not asking any sympathy here, but i just need to clear other people’s mind. And not all people against me, some people also agreed with my opinion. I won’t leave my real identity here, posting my comments, if i still the same person as 5 years ago.
For the next 5 to 10 years or 25 years from now on, these articles will always be here. But are they still valid? Not sure about that.
August 28th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
are we still punishing person who did something wrong few years ago? are we still punishing person who killed JFK few years ago??? still punishing until today?? And other people leave comment as if they got killed too?? Come on.. this is insane… all people got freaks after they read this articles. and punishing me together along with Raymond.
That’s okay for me. Since i found this blog, i will keep updating to anyone comments. So other people could decided who’s wrong and who’s not. So keep blogging, i will follow you guys.
August 29th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
I was asking to written this statement by devian. As i told to you guys above, i don’t meet any problems with devian at all. as i bought $2000 Blackberry spare parts few weeks ago. i really don’t know what happen here, but all i wanna say, i am willing to do business with devian for next order.
August 29th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
what’s true is true, and what’s wrong is wrong…you know what i mean? all judgment back to all of you guys… but at least we’re not screw the meaning of truth…
Raymond, how old are you dude? don’t you have something to do other then blogging?
August 29th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
wow.. this silly blog still hot… Hey dude, what’s up? You have a great ideas on how to gathered sympathy and emphasized so called “countless victims”… and recently you had an intention to gathering “countless victims” fund to get rid off this person deviansyah. Hmmm….is it true? I thought you’ve got better ideas when blogging here, but now i see you have your own agenda… did you?
To all followers here, think with what you said on this blog. you could blown away someone’s life. for what i see here, this guy deviansyah quite honest and now he even wrote his comments… good job deviansyah!!! keep fight to those freaks here…freaks always freaks…
August 29th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
this is all about our little friend Raymond have his own agenda on how to gathered sympathy and emphasized people for his silly $2.000 lost…lets give him an applause.. this blog should have some king of narrator, so they could filtering on every comments posted here…or perhaps it’s raymond its self is the narrator…as some of the posted comments here are missing… including my comments few months ago…
August 29th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
Okay…. Deviansyah…you’re getting a bit too desperate here. Please stop as it’s merely making yourself seem a bit pathetic. I highly recommend that you stop resorting to your silly games. As the head webmaster of this blog, I have access to all of the comment IP addresses that are submitted. Here is what I have interestingly discovered:
According to the system, the following comment user names (“Robert Luo” and “O’Neill”) are all originating from the same IP address “114.120.165.182″ – thus it’s quite clear they are comments placed by the exact same person posing as different individuals.
The “Deviansyah” username originates from a different IP, but comes from a geographical location that’s quite close in proximity to the IP number mentioned above. My guess is that it’s just you accessing your various fake email accounts from different places, like your home + work computer stations.
You are a sad, sad little man. A hell bound criminal.
August 29th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
Raymond thanks again for setting this up and alerting others of potential scams. Its pretty evident that the same individual is posting with different user IDs.
Everyone should be aware of this and cautioned that purchasing products online should only be done using a credit card. Never purchase cheap items with money gram / western union, etc. Also any non Ebay transactions done via paypal are NOT covered. Over all if the price is just too good to be true then it is probably a scam.
August 30th, 2009 at 11:06 am
My game? Isn’t it you making your own games?? I don’t see any connection between me and other people…just like the other member here, perhaps comes from the same IP address, why don’t you check. It’s too damn easy for me to hide my IP Raymond.. If I want it..
September 2nd, 2009 at 1:00 pm
I just got scammed by alibaba yesterday. I feel very angry now. I ordered a set of Nokia N96 from one so-called handphone company in China. After i made the payment through Western Union to them, they said they will deliver the product within 7 days. After 7 days, you know what, im shock!!! they sent me fake handphone!!!!!!damn it!! i try to contact them, but cant get through the line. Alibaba should take a serious action against all these scammer. My hard earn money just gone like that, a fake toy handphone cost me USD250!!!!!! shame on me!! becareful!!
September 4th, 2009 at 1:33 am
I am sorry that you had to go through this. I was ripped off by an Alibaba.com member too. My story is found here:
http://www.report-online-scams.com/sz-xinglong.html
I wouldn’t beat yourself up about it, TONS of people have been ripped off by “gold pass trust members.” It is really not your fault that you got ripped off. You figured they would really send the GPS’s but they didn’t. If anyone is to blame it is Alibaba because they simply do not do anything about scams. They might take their site down, but they can always sign up for a new one. You might find this article interesting on how Alibaba doesn’t take any responsibility:
http://report-online-scams.com/blog/?p=118
September 16th, 2009 at 7:48 am
Raymond, if I have the power, I’d really love to help you undo the grievance caused by this Indonesian man.
I’m Indonesian too, a patriotic one. All the more reason to feel deeply hurt when fellow countrymen do rotten deeds and tarnish the reputation of this little country I love.
I used to have the pride to say, “we are slaving and begging, but not stealing”.
I really wish I can help you more…
September 16th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
feel deeply hurt when fellow countrymen do rotten deeds and tarnish the reputation of this little country I love…“we are slaving and begging, but not stealing”…sounds patriotic to me…
Raymond, it looks like you’ve got a “HERO” here.. Bravo my friend…
September 22nd, 2009 at 9:14 pm
Greetings Raymond,
I was searching for Alibaba related material and came across this blog. I recently began assisting someone I am close to with selling products through Alibaba.This is not the exclusive method of course, but one of several marketing venues in an effort to increase sales. To say that 90% or 95% of sellers on Alibaba are dishonest may not be accurate as you have no significant proof other than anecdotal evidence. That being said, I have no proof that 90-95% are honest either. Perhaps it will be somewhere in the middle, perhaps not. Similar to Ebay scams, I don’t think the public will ever be made aware of the extent of fraud on Alibaba or related sites. Such is the sad state of humanity I suppose. I was not entirely thrilled to see the products being offered on Alibaba, as my first impression was one of street side vendors hawking the latest imitation electronics. Luckily, it is near impossible to “imitate” our products but I would still rather see the effort geared towards something more professional and not be painted with the same brush.
I would note you are running Google Ads.I would also note the top ad entry is for Alibaba.com along with some questionable other entries. While you have little control over this it seems a bit ironic. I am not making judgement on your troubles, merely pointing out that everyone seems to be out for a dollar, from the small man, the scam artist and the mega corporations.
I do applaud you for the courage to stick with your opinions. I would do the same and I would expect that if a customer felt they were taken advantage of by representatives of the company I deal with, particularly if they purchased through me, they would have every right to voice their complaints. Waiting years to rectify a dishonest situation is unforgiveable (and it doesn’t appear as if any attempt was made to do so by the seller anyway). Openly admitting that you knowingly took advantage of innocent buyers is even worse.
Cheers,
September 26th, 2009 at 11:21 pm
DEV YOU ARE A JOKE MY FRIEND, GOD WILL PUNISH YOU FOR YOUR CRIMES.
YES YOU HAVE SO CALLED ‘FANS’, YOURSELF,
o’niell, Robert Luo , lily, whites, Hammilton , allan – Think you are clever, but your so stupid….your English is terrible.
Raymond, this is amazing Ive beeb reading this for about and hour, Dev you are pathetic, I can understand if a reputable business suffered at the hands of a made up blog. You a scammer, trying to defend yourself, give up and start an honest business.
September 27th, 2009 at 9:06 am
Dev if you are truly an honest business man, please meet me in the the UK, I have a mobile phone business. I will purchase in excess of 50 items off you. We can arrange to meet in a busy city centre where nothing will happen. Once I am satisfied with the products, I WILL 100% HELP YOU CLEAR YOUR NAME! There is a lot of money in it for you Dev, so I ask you again, are you willing to travel with in excess of £10,000 worth or products?
September 28th, 2009 at 4:45 am
My bank recommended that I disable international funds transfers to improve security. I work only with int’l suppliers that offer PayPal as a payment option. It’s a bit more expensive, but the security makes it totally worthwhile.
September 28th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
I googled his name and found this.. if this helps track him down (IF TRUE I CANT GUARANTEE)
http://resources.alibaba.com/topic/193704/SCAMMER_Deviansyah_Devi_or_Kurnia_Indonesia_.htm?message=383351
”
Replying to [makika]:
to buy iPod NANO4G I paid deposit 15% to him via WUB(Western Union Bank) and he transfered (also via WUB) to UK supplier, name Rudy Chen & company name DELTA ONE according to him . However no ship from UK and he said that I don’t know what happened. It looks like UK suppier was gone. Buyt actually I don’ t think. I have pass port photo with his name DEVIANSJAH MANOCH, passport no. 777772, date of birth 23 Dec 1977, Jakarta, also driving license no. 711012057644. Hic comany name is TELKOMINDO. now I will meet him at my hotel here Jakarta …….. must make sure all the evidence, including UK Mr. Rudy Chen…..
Need good suggestion how take back money from him. Even police catch him, he will pay money as corruption…… ”
October 10th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
Hello Toni. Really appreciate with your concerned. After reading your comments, it makes me wonder, that you’re nothing but a shit. My English is never be perfect, as I’m not an Englishman.
Talking about £10,000, do you really think that is big amount of money??? Hmm…i guess we have such different perception of “BIG” money. But i just happy with my monthly sales, which around $5.000 to $10.000
Track me down??? I’m here and not going anywhere. Come and get me then.
October 10th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
To anyone reading this blog. PLEASE READ AND THINK WHAT YOU HAVE TO THINK. I DON’T GIVE A SHIT. You may write down anything about me. GO HEAD. STILL CANNOT PROOF ANYTHING THAT I DID THAT. It’s just a silly comments, from silly people.
October 12th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
Hi Deviansyah,
Actually, 10,000 euros is worth about $15,000. So this is more than what you supposedly make in a month. Also, where is “here”, where you are from, exactly?
October 14th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
omg, I knew that the seller i was talking to on ebay had a very good deal on Apple Ipod touchs… It was either the ipods were not genuine, or the seller was fraud. =/
& Googling the name “karen stalker” from Cleveland, OH, led me to this page, & Thanks Everyone for the warning… Currently this scammer is operating under the username “dennyroyaltechnology” always sending messages from his/her Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
Yes, Indeed very smooth communication, likeable and friendly, persuading to buy more… and insisted that their paypal account was hacked into and it cannot be used, so a bank wire transfer payment site such as western union must be used, and this is not eligible for Ebay or Paypal’s buyer protection. =(
I will know better now,& Thanks for the warning, Guys!
October 18th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Could someone please tell me if its okay to purchase bath & body products from China because I almost did but after reading your comments I am on hold for now.
elmjay
October 25th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
Look at this guys.
I wanted to buy some Iphones from a Chinese company(my bad) and I event wanted to send the money but I searched the net and found this great blog and after dat had a instant message conversation on Alibaba…take a look at the result,the company name is:Hefei Xinlongyu Trade Co., Ltd and the SCAMERS Bank data is:
his is our payment:
telegraphic transfer:
Beneficiary institution: bank of china
Swift code: bkchcnbj780
Beneficiary Name: dajun zhang
beneficiary’s account: 495480020015351
address: hefei city , anhui province, china
—————————————————–
Caradaica Nicolae: Hello (2009-10-25 13:26:03)
Caradaica Nicolae: What is your price for Iphone 3g 8Gb (2009-10-25 13:26:16)
weiwei herm: 240$ (2009-10-25 13:26:50)
Caradaica Nicolae: Please tell me what are your bussines hours (2009-10-25 13:27:53)
weiwei herm: 24hours (2009-10-25 13:28:02)
Caradaica Nicolae: I will send a friend to you to pick up the phone (2009-10-25 13:28:08)
weiwei herm: no (2009-10-25 13:28:28)
weiwei herm: our iphone is in usa (2009-10-25 13:28:33)
Caradaica Nicolae: so you send it form the USA (2009-10-25 13:28:53)
Caradaica Nicolae: ? (2009-10-25 13:29:09)
weiwei herm: yes (2009-10-25 13:29:07)
Caradaica Nicolae: what city (2009-10-25 13:29:14)
Caradaica Nicolae: I have many bussines partners in the USA
also (2009-10-25 13:29:23)
weiwei herm: ny (2009-10-25 13:29:28)
Caradaica Nicolae: do you have an address (2009-10-25 13:29:39)
weiwei herm: yes (2009-10-25 13:29:45)
Caradaica Nicolae: please give it to me and I will find somebody to pick up the phone (2009-10-25 13:30:04)
weiwei herm: ok,fuck u (2009-10-25 13:30:10)
Caradaica Nicolae: SCAMER (2009-10-25 13:30:19)
weiwei herm: fuck u (2009-10-25 13:30:24)
weiwei herm: shit (2009-10-25 13:30:26)
Caradaica Nicolae:
(2009-10-25 13:30:29)
Caradaica Nicolae: why are you Scamming people (2009-10-25 13:30:42)
Caradaica Nicolae: are you not afraid that God will punish you (2009-10-25 13:30:54)
Caradaica Nicolae: it’s just not good Karma (2009-10-25 13:31:03)
Caradaica Nicolae: ok I whish for you to live in interesting times (2009-10-25 13:31:17)
Caradaica Nicolae: bye (2009-10-25 13:31:19)
October 25th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
Before this they offered my IPHONE 3GS 32GB for 270USD
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:09 pm
I’m impressed by you being able to write about it like this. Usually people feel too ashamed to even think about it.
November 3rd, 2009 at 3:19 am
I am quite impressed with all these terrible story above, and I really want to thank Raymond to do this job, I am a Chinese and I have a question? Chinese People always work over time for the overseas country like USA, EUROPEAN COUNTRIES etc. When you people buy the textile products and the other labor integration products , do you guys ever have conscience for our human rights or our living standard? China Domestic Manufacture are desperate to Alibaba, things like that are not a real revolution but a cheating. As you can see, real supplier don’t get customer easy, and fake scamer can even rip the real customer off. What an great easiest way to do business!
November 3rd, 2009 at 3:34 am
Anyellow,
Yeah… Internet scammers are everywhere and usually if some deal sounds too good to be true, it almost always is.
In response to your other question about whether Americans have a conscience about human rights issues and poor working conditions in other countries that manufacture the products we use. Well we most certainly do. Our federal government does try to exert a democratic influence on third world and second world nations to improve standards but we can only do so much. At some point, you will yourselves will need to rise up against the Communist Chinese dictators in a violent or perhaps peaceful revolution and overthrow them. Same goes for any third world country where its citizens demand better worker’s rights.
But in terms of staging a boycott of such products, unfortunately, we Americans are addicted to cheap Chinese products and will probably continue to use them gladly for the foreseeable future. That’s the truth and reality.
November 4th, 2009 at 6:28 am
Hi there .. I’m really thank you for your experience , it is very helpful ..
I’m starting my small business in PS3 games only and I was looking for supplier, I thought that Alibaba is good .. but
Now I’ll not gona use it or think about it any more !!
but the Question is where we can find a dealer or a supplier for our small business !! it’s a big problem …
any recommendation ?
and thanks for your shearing
November 7th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
Hello Raymond and All,
Thank you so much Raymond for your Article , I was and still planning to start my small business but now I do not know how to find a supplier for my stuff ?
I ‘m planning to sell simple stuff that are cheap not like PS3 or GPS … etc
my stuff are accessories , mirrors but in special designs …
Can anybody help me please , should I use Alibaba or not ?
I have contact people from China ,but we did not reach the money issues yet . I just sent them pictures of my desgins . I need answer please I do not have any job and I want to strat my business for LIVING basically and hope that God is going to help me to support my family …
I think I got emotional because I had big dreams on Alibaba thing
Thanks a lot
November 23rd, 2009 at 10:26 pm
Why nobody replied to my post !!!
November 29th, 2009 at 8:36 am
I think there is nothing wrong about writing your online experience with other. If only 1person complained about Alibaba site then we can be suspicious about his writing, but if you google and you find millions list of problem/scammers on Alibaba I think we can agree the problem is exist on this site. I was going to purchase somthing from Alibaba but I cancel that order after reading warning articles from many websites. The other reason of course because the seller refused to accept other form of payment even via AliPay (similar to Paypal). The price is good but if you are a buyer yes you need to be smart.
About Mr. Manoch? I used to live in Indonesia and my wife is Indonesian. What he did is very bad. Whatever words you use my friend you are a thief. You scam people and what you did make me a best candidate to hell. If you are fraud by any Indonesian with bank account? Yes you can report this to Indonesian Police. They have the cyber crime unit to handle people like Devian.
I would like to say something to Devian in Indonesia Language:
“Loe bikin malu orang Indonesia saja Dev!! Tukang tepu loe. Brenti kenapa? Apapun alasan loe yang jelas loe sdh menipu banyak orang. Mudah2an loe ketangkep Dan masuk penjara!!”
Well Raymond: if you need help I can assist you further. I have a friend in Indonesia Police. I can direct you to the right channel. For others? Please do no purchase anything over the Internet or wire any money to anyone in Indonesia. If you have friend or relative? You can use them as your broker. Most of Legit companies in Indonesia accept credit cards and Cash.
For Forum moderator: If you see poster ips from 114.*, 125.*, 116.*, 117.*, 222.*, 61.94.*, 110,* and many more! and they post any comment supporting devian? I can guarranty you they are another scam artist.
I hope this info helpful.
November 29th, 2009 at 9:02 am
Safa my friend: it’s better if you wire your money to charity than wire your money to China. Nothing against Chinese ppl but why would you wire your money to someone you never done any business before? Even for a sample my friend? It’s better if you just do it locally. Raymond is correct! Greed makes you dumb! Think smart! I bought wholesale from Ebay and paid with Paypal to Hongkong seller and I received my purchase on time. Why this seller can have account on Paypal and others can’t??? It just doesn’t make sense. You are a buyer. You set your term. It’s your money and don’t let anyone control your decision to purchase anything. If they don’t wanna accept Paypal or credit card? Let them rotten with their unsold goods!!
Buy local/within states. Check on google/BBB. Do your homework. Go to godaddy.com and Whois the domain. Call the number. Verify. If the accept Paypal? Call Paypal and verify. Don’t buy anything from any website. Ask other trusted sellers/friends. Use your instinct! If the price is too good? It’s scam. Never wire money!!! Don’t give out your c/c to anyone!! Never give out you. Chkg account no to any sales rep over the phone. I have been on the Internet since 1995. I heard thousand stories about ppl get scam. If you see an online store and do not find any phone number or address? Just a contact form? It’s a scam!! If you see a phone? Call that number random during office hours! If no one puck up your call? It’s a scam!! Check the address and go to google map. If it’s office building? Check mgt office and call them! If the site accepts only western union and no Paypal or Authorize.net? It’s a scam!!!
If you click on 1 site and you are being directed on different site? It’s a scam!!! Never complete credit card on seller website. If you are being directed to Paypal? You must make sure to always check the address before entering your Paypal user I’d and password!! Paypal address is https://www.Paypal.com!! Not https://www.Payspall.com or https://www.paypalls.com.
Check and always check before making any purchase!!
November 29th, 2009 at 9:25 am
Indonesian Police Website
http://www.polri.go.id
If you are fraud victim by Indonesian Seller with Bank Account? Yes you can report them.
Indonesia is not like Somalia. I used to live there and for people like Devian as long as you have complete document of PO, Wire Transfer and correspondence? Yes they can be stopped. People like Devian operates in Cyber Cafe. They are thief. Thief must be stopped and prosecuted. If you become a victim? Contact Indonesian Police. They speak English. Call the bank for further assistance! At least you can get this thief profile! Youneed to have government to open a bank account in Indonesia. Call the bank and report the crime. You will be directed to legal dept. They can put a freeze on the account. But you must file a police report. Most bank officer speaks English. Don’t let this Devian thief get away with a penny. Whatever he said. He was a crook then and a biggger crook now.
(To Devian: Sudah berapa ribu orang loe tipu bro? Percuma Aja loe sholat atau ke gereja kl kerja loe nepu man!! Tobat knp??? Sepinter2nya loe. Cepat atau lambat pasti ketangkep. Stop stealing ppl money!!”)
November 29th, 2009 at 9:32 am
When you visit Indonesia Police Website?
1. You can email them? info@polri.go.id
2. Klik on “Forum pengaduan” and fill out the form
I hope this info is useful.
December 4th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
WOW!!! I am very admired with John’s explanation and the way he thought about this whole things. Quite amazing John. But so sorry to say, that just like any previous comments on this blog, cannot be proof by real evidenced or solid data. Does anyone here got the REAL PROOF that I did scam?? The answer is NO!! No solid data, no authentic proof, and no nothing. From Head to toe, it’s all only comments, comments, and comments to pushing me down along the way.
Thanks for all your efforts John. You need to learn a lots of things before you could blaming someone without hard evidenced. When you talking about LAW, there should be somekind of HARD Evidence. NOT just a negative comments like on this blogs.
But that’s okay. I get used to it with all comments here. I am too tired to keep this SILLY GAMES going on. LET PEOPLE TALKS !!! WHATEVER THEY WANNA TALK ABOUT!!!
December 4th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
For Forum moderator: If you see poster ips from 114.*, 125.*, 116.*, 117.*, 222.*, 61.94.*, 110,* and many more! and they post any comment supporting devian? I can guarranty you they are another scam artist.
I hope this info helpful.
WOW AGAIN!!! Don’t you know that we cannot using any IP’s ???? our IP’s is a static IP, cannot be changed into other IP’s address. IF there is some comments supporting me, it came from someone who really support me.
I KNOW I DID A MISTAKE with RAYMOND BEFORE. BUT ONLY WITH RAYMOND!!! I HAD REFUND HIS MONEY ALREADY!! BUT THIS BLOGS STILL HERE UNTIL TODAY. AND many many people putting comments and pretending as IF they also got problems from me. THIS IS NOT FAIR AT ALL!!! Other comments just giving comments AFTER THEY READ RAYMOND’S BLOGS!!!
CAN YOU SEE THE DIFFERENT???? OR you too blind to see the real facts!! SOME PEOPLE STILL DOING BUSINESS WITH ME!! SOME PEOPLE NOT TO REALLY CARE ABOUT THIS BLOG!!! BUT SOME OTHER DO SHIT THINGS WITH THIS BLOGS!!!
December 5th, 2009 at 9:37 am
Do not ever do business with Deviansyah K. Manoch!!! He is a low life and a scammer!
I recently did a business transaction with him after reading this blog and speaking with him for a few days. He gave me a sob story about how he did a bad thing with Raymond back a few years ago but tried to make it right and Raymond is just now out for vengeance!
So I agreed to give him a chance and decided to buy some iphones from him. Well needless to say him stole my money. And on top of that he threatened me by putting my money or my head. He wanted me to come on here and comment on how our transaction went very smoothly and he is a good guy. Well obviously that is not happening and he still has my money. Do not ever do business with this low life thief.
If you would like to waste your time and money I can give you some really good charities to send your money to. Do not send it to this low life. I have all of this documented in emails that were exchanged back and forth between me and him. Also I have the western union transfers to prove all of this. This scammer needs to be stopped and I will help Raymond to do it. I am a legitimate business man and I will do everything in my power to make sure Devian does not do this to anyone again. If you have had a similiar experience be sure to blog on this site and also go to rip off report dot com and submit a report to them also. Make sure to file a police report with the local Indonesian authorities and if you are in the USA call western union and report the fraud and they will put together a file that when you contact the FBI fraud division you can give them the file number and they can go after him.
Once again DO NOT DO BUSINESS WITH DEVIANSYAH K. MANOCH!!!!!
December 5th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
Once again people, if you insist on falling for the online scams of Deviansyah K. Manoch…there’s not much I can do. I can warn you all I want about the emotional dangers of greed and describe to you all of his little tricks to sucker in victims…. But if you insist on going through with his proposals and falling for his bait because you sympathize with him…then good luck.
All that you guys out there are doing is making this scammer a very rich man and losing your own money in the process. Deviansyah is a scammer. There is no negotiating with him. He has no sad sob story to share. He is a scammer. There is no exception and you won’t somehow be that one in a million lucky one. He will say whatever it takes to get your money. How many times must I repeat that before everyone will listen to my warnings? It’s like watching fellow friends jump over a cliff one by one despite my warnings that they will die or get injured if they do so.
December 6th, 2009 at 12:28 am
Deviansyah..
People judge you not by what you do now but by what you have done. What you did is just like what other scammers do in Alibaba, Craigslist, Fake online store and a lot others. It is very typical. Once you cheat, lie, steal? They think you cannot be trusted. It is your life judgment. You think you are above the law and you are the smartest one on the Internet. You can crook this people with your scam. You need to know one thing. You live in Indonesia. You don’t live over there in Nigeria where you can do anything you want and no one would bother to do anything against the Fraud/Wire Money/Counterfeiting money order and etc. People like you can be stopped.
I bet you work in the cyber cafe. You look to a way to fraud people in your day life. You only make $25.00 to $150/month and the only way to make more money is by fraud people. You set up a phony website. You set up a phony address. You took the pictures from goggle. You cant carding people credit card anymore because some of the website require you to verify by phone. So? The only thing you can do?, You fraud people by selling phony stuff online.
Why don’t you stop Devian? And about the ips? Of course I know all the ips from Indonesia. Regardless to your argument I think you are just another low crook who make the world think all Indonesian is scammer. Did you read it? I have been on the net from 1995. I used to live in Indonesia. What you do is very very low. Why don’t you stop scamming people money? Do something better than stealing people money? You can go to Dubai and find a job over there. You can get a job in cruise lines and be a cook or a chef. You can go to Canada and find a better life over there. Life is about the choice.
For anyone who need assistance or are fraud by this Devian Monach? Send me your PO, Wire transfer proof (in pdf) and I am very willing to forward this to Indonesian Police or Bank Officer. So next time if he opens the bank account his name will be flagged. Please do not wire money/transfer money or initiate communication with him. Anything he says will cost your money. Do not transfer/wire any money to people that you never done any business before. Compare the price! If the price is too low or it is below average, It is a SCAM! Use broker like paypal or alipay to assist you with the payment. If they refuse? Hell with them. Like I said before. Lets their goods rotten. Don’t even transfer/wire the money for a sample! A sample will cost you $250/iPhone from Devian website. It is like 3 months salary of Devian over there in Indonesia. If you wire him that amount. He can take 3 months off with your sample money. DO NOT TRANSFER/INITIATE TRADE WITH DEVIAN MANOCH. He is a scumbag. Don’t trust to what he said. He is a liar. Don’t do business with him. You will never receive your purchase. Buy wholesale from within the state/province/country. If you wire the money and you don’t receive your purchase? You can file a complaint to the BBB or Police. Deal locally.
(To Devian in Indonesia: “Loe mau ngomong apa aja bro? kalo loe sudah penipu? yah seluruh orang akan mikir kalao loe adalah penipu. Apapun yang loe bilang bro tidak akan bisa merubah pikiran orang. Brenti nepu kenapa bro?)
December 7th, 2009 at 10:18 am
i TOO JUST LOST 2500 USD, FOR BUDGET MOBILE LTD, I WAS SELLING ON EBAY AND SEARCHED CHEAP PRICES AND SENT MY MONEY IN JUST TO BE TOLD A 444 VAT IN UK WAS NEED, TODAY I GOT A EMAIL SAYING 600 MORE TO RELEASE GOODS, IS THERE A WAY TO GET THE MONEY BACK
December 14th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
Dear everyone,
I am a Taiwanese who is doing trade business with European, now I live between Holland and China. Sometimes I use Alibaba for sourcing. My iphone was robbed on the day time street in Shanghai (Damn, China is freaking unsafe), so I got desprirately greedy to look it up on Alibaba, oh my sweet holy god, 20 pairs of 3GS. 32G iPhone cost only 2000usd? I contact the seller, and he doesn’t evn know what he is talking about, i see signs, and i am still greedy, so I looked up google, I found here. Reading those articles here just make me feel really grateful you guys warn us not to be greedy. Yeah, when it’s too good to be true, it is scam. My robbed iPhone was bought in black market in China, it was real, but it still costs me 800usd, so you see, even in CHINA, there is no sweet deal that beyong imagination. DO NOT believe there is things like same product from same factory. High value product has strick controll, no such a thing, even chinese buy 800usd iPhone on black market. Back to Alibaba, i would suggest if you can not visit factories personally as I do, DO NOT buy from it. How do you know it’s real or not, How do you ensure they will send goods to you after you pay? I have many western business friends got cheated by online chinese seller, it just doesnt work. Here is full of liars, the law doesn’t protect you, it doesn;t even go after bad criminals here. When I got robbed on the street, went to the police, they just told me it’s my fault and china is dangerous in the end of year season (WTF?) Well, so, don’t have the big dream of cutting profit by just ordering online. Most of the successful traders I know, they travel among EU/ USA to China themselves, or they gave me business to inspect for them. You got to have someone SEE it for you on the warehouse, factory or whatever, phone/ emails is just not enough!
December 18th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
Thanks guys for these very useful posts. I guess i was about to make the same mistake. I am currently in contact with a seller from Alibaba, she is offering me two dell Alienware laptops for $517 , shipping included. Now ,Alienware is one of the best and most expensive laptops out there, their price range from $2000 to almost $4000.
I tought it sounded too good to be true and i was hesitant about it although it looked like its from a real,legit company. they have their website , contact page,etc….now I am def not doing this.
December 21st, 2009 at 4:21 pm
hello guys,I am from Europe and I got scammed on Alibaba by company named Shanghai Yin Zhen Industrial co.lt. of course verified member and gold supplier member.they have most likely several other company names and “sales” representative using names such as Sofia Sun,Carry Tian,Alina Young etc.,but they always ask you after closing the deal to send money to Jiyau WU. this guy have also several accounts at The Bank Of China with different account numbers.They will call you dear and friend and put honey in your mouth just to turn away your attention.They will tell you how hard they have to work and they will be using sell tricks such as “let me ask my boss,I will get you better price” there is no boss no office and they will be on line only in china night hours.they also have list of few products such as cell phones LCD Tv’S and any brand any type of electronic goods you ask them about they will be able to get to you even if they don’t have it listed on their web page.The real thing is that they do not offer you to buy anything but a scam and you are able to buy from them scam only.nothing else.
December 22nd, 2009 at 12:32 am
To read others still get scammed really upsets me, if you guys want to buy things from supppliers on Alibaba, maybe you can contact me first, at least I can call those suppliers r even visit them for you, I am a Taiwanese, they can not cheat me. I have checked several suppliers for my EU friends, once those scam chinese know I am in China and I understnad Chinese, they hang up the phone or change the story of they can give you everything. Please CHECK before you wire anything out!! there is no law protecting you in China.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:22 am
@SW
hi, nice to meet you SW… I want to ask you, is it really true that there are LEGITIMATE companies in mainland China or Hong Kong that can supply authentic apple iphones at discounted prices? I want to be a distributor in my country but so far, whenever I searched and enquire to those companies selling cheap iphones, i always smell something fishy. (like they only accept wire transfer or western union or how they don’t like paypal and other 1000 reasons for me). If you know any company that can really supply authentic iphones and have it shipped to my country, please let me know… Thank you for your time Mr. SW
Cheers
December 26th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
i have had 4 transactions from alibaba..one was for guitars and went great,,another was for sneakes,went great but took ling to time because of customs,the other was a no show on the goods and the last one i ordered playstation 3’s and got a cell phone with no guts..!i strongly recomend paying %5 down and no western union .try finding and using an escrow service or middle man service like paypal wich covers you if you are ripped off.you let the escrow know when you get the goods and then they release the money to the seller
December 27th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
Look people, if you read through this you will find a re-occurring theme. Scammers are all over the place not just Alibaba. I too have have had successful transactions on Alibaba BUT not in the electronics category. Anytime you have a highly desirable product, ie. Apple iPhones, iPods, gaming systems, GPS etc… you are going to find scammers. As many have said above, common sense has to dictate what you do, if it is to good to be true then it is not. Any legitimate supplier out there is going to be able to process credit cards or use a payment service such as paypal, the lame excuses just don’t fly. Yes it cost to take credit cards, then build that cost into your product but if you are being told “we can only accept T/T or Western Union” walk away, you have no recourse and probably a 99.9% chance of losing your hard earned money, especially in the electronics category. ‘nuf said.
December 29th, 2009 at 11:10 am
My golden rule buying from abroad: Go and visit the sellers first. Air tickets and accommodation in the far east are so cheap now.
I went to China, met the sellers, saw the goods and bought items from several suppliers, sent in two containers. I even used an agent who paid them after I went back to the UK and sent the money to the agent. I had no problems with any of them, other than the inexperienced agent who did not package the items properly and some got broken in transport.
January 2nd, 2010 at 7:27 pm
I found this blog when googling ’scams’ and was appalled at how little is being done to stop this online fraudulent activity. It may be unfair to legitimate sellers but I wouldn’t buy anything from alibaba…I’d rather miss a bargain then take a chance on being scammed. It is a sad world when you automatically distrust sellers from certain countries because they have such a bad reputation and it is sad for the genuine sellers in those countries who are all being tarred with the same brush.
I think you have done a great job Raymond and am sorry you are unlikely to see your money again. You are right when you say “if it looks too good to be true then it probably is too good to be true”.
January 2nd, 2010 at 11:18 pm
@ Fredy,
NO, there is no private distributor for iPhone. I know several engineers/managers in the factory of iPhone (it’s a Taiwanese IT company manufacture in Southern China). They told me the quanity control is very strick, themselves can not take a single piece of iPhone to sell. And I also know the balck market of iPhone in China, here, you pay 770-900usd for 3GS, it’s more expensive than in USA, why, because all the mobiles are taken from USA or HK. The official Chinese distribitor only sells special iPhone version- without wireless. Anyway, as far as I know, there is no way to get cheap iPhone from China. Don’t get scammed!! Hope it helps.
SW
January 3rd, 2010 at 7:18 pm
There’s no way that’s true, right? The iPhone never used to be anywhere like that. I am seasoned enough to think back to the very first like that had input support
January 3rd, 2010 at 10:25 pm
@SW
thx for the info… I will never bought iphones from China. I bought some iphone 3GS (Factory Unlcoked) from HK and I hand carried them myself. The market for these gadgets are still pretty good here in Indonesia. I would like to ask you, if you’re able to help, what if i want to buy more iphones from HK and then have them delivered to Indonesia. Can you help me with that? Because, i’m still pretty newbie in regards of buying goods overseas and have them delivered. Is DHL or FedEx any good for this kind of buying? if you dont mind, you can answer these questions via email at fkartika@gmail.com
thx a bunch SW
January 5th, 2010 at 4:30 pm
The iphone that is manufactured in China is not being retailed back to China. I have a friend that working as the IT person over there. Everything that manufacture in China is being shipped directly to the destination country. Please do not buy iPhone from China. Nothing against Chinese product but if the person refuse to accept payment via paypal? Forget it. ferdi? if you need help I can assist you. Email me johnylim@rocketmail.com. I sell iphone and blackberry on ebay and craiglist. I purchase directly from people brand new and resell to other market by paypal/cc. It is safe and quick way to make decent money. Greedy is good but not too greedy.
January 7th, 2010 at 6:50 pm
I was in the orocess of concluding, until you opened my eyes to this, it could have been me,Thank you,
I wrote to the company i am dealing with and suggest to have items sent first and payment will be released after goods arrive, Not sure of the reply yet. ! will update you. We all know what the answer will be, our agreement was 50% first to release the goods.
Thank you for taking your time to inform us.
January 11th, 2010 at 2:34 am
again, here is the list of people THAT I NEVER CHEATED OR DID SOMETHING BAD:
Victor, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Buffort T. Pusser, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Zotyak, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Stan, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Valdazzar, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Gregory, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Sam, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Paul, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Sharon, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
this_is_too_funny, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
scammer_terminator, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Melissa, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO
Ferdy, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO!!
Senchi, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO!!
But these people got paranoid and freaks after reading articles from our beloved friends, Raymond.
TO RAYMOND:
Would you still refused me if i pay your money back? Even if i pay you back, how will you recovery my names after that? since all people here called me Criminals…
January 11th, 2010 at 2:38 am
Deviansyah,
You are and will forever be a scammer. Please go back to the cesspool you sprouted from. Stop scamming people.
January 11th, 2010 at 8:42 am
Raymond,
Again, you don’t have any single proof for everything you said here. I did mistakes, but i have changed now. But your silly articles will be here forever… Thanks for that Raymond.
January 18th, 2010 at 4:25 am
Ok, so Deviansyah, your saying Raymond is at fault for trying to warn the good public about fellow trash heaps like yourself? Well thats rich. Trying to blame your faults on good people. If I had a dollar wired to me every time I heard that, I would run away with it.
Good day to every one, and hell to scammers like Deviansyah.
January 19th, 2010 at 11:07 am
Hello “P” (what a name)… who the hell are you? talking about shit things, when you don’t have any fucking clues at all.
Good day to everyone, and go to hell to “P” (is it penis??)
January 19th, 2010 at 11:13 am
To everyone reading this blog, YOU MAY GIVE ANY COMMENTS HERE. BUT ONLY IF YOU GOT CHEATED BY ME!!! IF YOU JUST READING SOMEONE ELSE COMMENTS, OR GIVING YOUR OWN COMMENTS BUT NEVER HAD ANY EXPERIENCED CHEATED BY ME, PLEASE SHUT THE HELL UP!!!
Here is the list of people, who’s effected after READING my beloved friend, Raymond. These people NEVER got cheated by me:
Victor, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Buffort T. Pusser, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Zotyak, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Stan, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Valdazzar, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Gregory, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Sam, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Paul, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Sharon, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
this_is_too_funny, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
scammer_terminator, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Melissa, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO
Ferdy, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO!!
Senchi, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO!!
FERDY, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO!!
January 19th, 2010 at 11:16 am
BE FAIR PEOPLE !!! If you have never lost your money or never got cheated by me, PLEASE DON’T ACT or PRETENDING AS IF YOU LOOSE YOUR MONEY BECAUSE OF ME!!!
Victor, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Buffort T. Pusser, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Zotyak, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Stan, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Valdazzar, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Gregory, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Sam, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Paul, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Sharon, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
this_is_too_funny, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
scammer_terminator, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Melissa, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO
Ferdy, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO!!
Senchi, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO!!
FERDY, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO!!
NEXT LIST TO BE CONTINUED….
January 19th, 2010 at 9:02 pm
Mr. Devian, are you STUPID or do you even understand english? you keep complaining and making list of all the people who did not lose their money to you and you’re blaming Raymond for it? The TRUE purpose of this blog is for Raymond to warn US not to deal with scums and cheaters like YOU Devian!! Of course there are lots of people who did not lose their money, because we have read Raymond’s thread and we heed the warnings given on this blog.
You keep making those long lists of people who did not lose their money to you and you whine because you failed to scam those people huh? You keep saying that you’re clean now and you trade honestly? Then, why did you always demand payments upfront when trading and dealing with others and why you only deal with Western union and wire transfer? I wanted to prove those accusations made on this blog regarding you was wrong and I even asked you to meet in person since we’re from the same country. But, you still demand me to pay via western union? Why is that? We can make transaction in person right away if you really have those goods you’re selling. You even put up FAKE address for your “company”. Don’t deny it Devian, as I said, I’m from indonesia too and I’ve checked that address on your website and there’s no such address!!
My advice to you Devian: Just stop writing on this blog and make yourself look dumber everytime you write. Stop complaining and change your ways in trading. I believe that people can change. Making money the honest way is the right way to do. There ain’t no joy when you’re using someone else’s money. If you don’t understand English, here’s in Indo: Jangan banyak bacot bang. Lo makin tulis disini makin keliatan begonya. Diem aja lah dan mendingan lo jangan nipu2 orang lagi dah. Kalo emang beneran lo jujur, ketemuan ajah, kita COD langsung kalo emang lo jualan barang2 yg lo bilang. Western Union ato wire transfer itu cara cupu buat nipu udahan.
January 20th, 2010 at 1:00 am
Looks who’s talking now. Some dumb ass Chinese like Ferdy, written about something he doesn’t have a clue at all. I don’t even know this dumb ass. I even never met this dumb ass before.
Ferdy, yang goblok itu lo atau gue? Gue kenal lo ajah ga pernah, gue ketemu lo ga pernah, dan gue dealing apapun sama lo ga pernah. Lo takut business sama gue, karena akibat baca blog ini. Kalo lo jadi parno atau freak out, itu bukan salah gue… Ini blog umum, jadi semua orang berhak nulis apapun (entah benar atau tidak). seperti nama lo ajah, benar ferdy atau bukan, ga ada yang tahu… urusan lo disini apa, gue juga ga tahu…. buat gue, kalau orang ngomong macam macam atau fitnah, gue berhak dong membela diri…. Urusan gue cuma sama Raymond… dan itu udah berapa tahun lalu… yang lain yang nulis disini, ga pernah ada urusan sama gue… tapi mereka seperti lo, cuma parno atau freak out setelah baca tulisan blog ini…. naif banget….
January 20th, 2010 at 1:06 am
Everyone talking about me here, i will wrote back. Everyone which never dealing with me, but talking shit about me, i will give them a shit back.
What’s wrong is wrong, what’s true is true. YES, i did something wrong with Raymond before. But i changed now. But this silly blog remain here forever. this ain’t fair to me at all. If people got freak out after reading this blog, is it my fault??? Of course NOT!!!
I guess you all more clever then i am. so you know the differences.
January 20th, 2010 at 1:47 am
Hahaha.. this Devian guy is really funny… Dude, if I hadn’t read this blog, I would’ve get cheated by you right? If you want to prove that you’re innocence, come on, lets meet up in person (which i doubt you’ll be the one who’s coming). Contact me at 021-33600238 i dare you and lets make a business deal. You can send me your item catalogue to fkartika@gmail.com if you want and lets make a deal. Im sorry if i offend you and if you’re now a legitimate businessman. Let’s do this…
January 20th, 2010 at 1:54 am
Devy,
This is the problem: “You keep doing what people hate the most. You fraud people money. You set up a phony online store that exhibit hot stuff with too good to be true price. When people contact you? you ask them to wire their money. They are waiting. Waiting. Waiting and waiting. You never send them anything. It is online Fraud. I spoke with some of your victim over the phone. Your name is very famous for some infamous reason. You never stop. I have people sending me an email asking about Indonesia and you. They provide me with the address. I contact my friend to check the address. It is not exist. Your phone number is prepaid phone number so you can change them any time. You act like you already stop frauding people. The fact says something different. You need to think about other Indonesian who really doing their business honestly. Because of someone like you? make the whole country bad. I hope sooner or later you will get caught. So whatever you say in this open forum? will not make people stop writing or even giving a comment about it. ”
For anyone who read this blog? Please do not send any money to Devian. It is better if you send your money for donation of a good cause (like Haiti Earthquake victims). He has no iphones or blackberry or computer. He has no store or warehouse. He has no connection to any apple supplier. He has no bank account now. He wants you to wire transfer to his name via money gram or western union. Please do not do that. He is mentally sick. His mind is full of dream to become a quick billionaire. Never give out your info to someone like Devian.
If you are a seller and looking for a better deal? look very carefully. A good wholesaler always provides you with a safety net in purchasing their item. They will agree if you use paypal. Trade locally is always a better idea. Cash for a quick trade is even better.
January 20th, 2010 at 7:43 am
Really? how much money will you lost Ferdy? After you insulting me, wrote any false comments, and i still wanna do business with you Ferdy? Come on. Do i look so desperate need your order??? You gotta be kidding..
To John,
Thanks for your wise advise. I just need you to know about my business, until today still fine. Some clients got freak out over this blog, while the other clients still doing business with me. Perhaps it would be wise, if you stop telling about something when you don’t have any proof at all. It’s all based on your opinions.
My question to you John, Are you going to save the world? You may try it John.
January 20th, 2010 at 11:16 pm
Mr. Deviansyah, I’m just giving you a chance to prove to everyone here that you’re doing legitimate business here. That’s why i’m offering you a chance to do it again with me, by meeting up in person. And you’re still getting all angry and refusing to meet up? You said that you’ve changed now, here is your chance to prove to everyone here and around the world. You can meet up with me, we can make a deal on something and prove that you’re a legitimate businessman. But if you’re still all angry and refuse to do so, it’s your choice. It just give further prove to everyone here that you’re either:
a. Still scamming people or
b. You still haven’t changed and don’t want to meet up in person
its your choice, i’m just trying to help clear up your name because now more and more people think badly of us Indonesian.
Let all the reader of this blog be witness to this…
January 21st, 2010 at 12:25 am
Once again, it’s all up to people here, to decides and giving any comments. I have pride, and obvious i don’t have time to playing around with people like you. I’m not mad at all, but after all your comments above, i guess i am not interesting to do any business with you.
You and any other people may saying anything about me. But to me, it’s just a comments. Please your self Ferdy.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:29 am
Keep on blogging guys. But with respect and responsible. I’ll take all comments here.
January 21st, 2010 at 2:27 am
Yes! I agree with Ferdy. If you are really legit? Go and see him. Take him around your store/warehouse. Show him your inventory. Let him see how you run your operation. By then I will stop saying anything in this forum against you. Ferdy lives in Jakarta. You claim you live over there too right? So just meet him and do one on one talk. I would like to see this moment in picture. Ferdy: “Please do not forget to take a picture of this meeting! lol”. So Devian or whoever you are? If you really want to prove to anyone here that you are not a hobo no more? or a crook? email Ferdy to arrange your meeting with him. I dare you. Lets see who is Devian look like.
I like to write here to clear people assumption that Indonesian is bad. It is because someone like you Devian make the whole Indonesian difficult to do a business. Even Indonesian Credit Card is not good in Amazon or some online store because they think it is Fraud or it is stolen credit card. I have an Indonesian partner that always claim he is Filipino because Indonesian associate with Fraud, Stolen Credit card and even Terrorist. Thats all because people like you Devian.
January 21st, 2010 at 2:57 am
Thanks for the support John.. It’s true that being Indonesian is very difficult to do business online and only until recently that paypal finally accepts indonesian applicants. I will make sure I won’t forget to bring my camera if he really arranges a one-on-one meeting with me, which i doubt he will though judging by his character.
January 21st, 2010 at 3:04 am
Guys, I know we all want to think that there is some shred of decency in everyone, but this Deviansyah guy really is a hardcore scammer. Trust me on this…he does not really have an honest business or a legitimate warehouse somewhere. Everything he says is part of his very elaborate deception to get you to part with your money. He constantly posts under multiple identities on this blog forum in his ridiculous attempts to drum up support and sympathy for his evil cause and writes the most illogical explanations for his deeds….but at the root of it all, he is nothing but a pathetic scammer – one who preys on the good will of others.
For the record, I will say this, if it indeed can be proven that he has somehow reformed and is now a legitimate businessman, then I will write a full letter of apology on this personal finance blog and clear his name forever. But tread very careful friends….he is very, very, very good in his craft. Do not be easily mislead…..this is from prior experience and dealings with him. He is a total liar without a conscience. I’m sure he would rob from his own mother if given the chance.
January 21st, 2010 at 4:37 am
To my dear friend John and Ferdy. Dare me?? LOL.. sounds desperate for you guys. It indicates that whole statements above are nothing but a comments. You don’t even know how is Devian look like. You don’t even met Devian yet. But wrote many comments about him. Accusing him, and told about many things. Does anyone of you have proofs of what Devian doing??? Hmmm… i guess not.
So, keep trying trying and playing your self around.
January 21st, 2010 at 4:46 am
I begin to love you guys. It’s really nice talking with you all here. Every words are so sarcastic. But hey, that’s fine by me. Even a political figure got very bad ass comments sometimes.
Raymond, how are you doing so far? After all these years, i hope you still have sense of humor. After all these years, i still love to read your silly ass blog.
John and Ferdy: begging me and kneel down!!! And i will meet each one of you. LOL…
January 21st, 2010 at 5:04 am
Deviansyah,
You really are sick in the head. You occasionally come off as a regular person, but inside that truly deranged mind of yours, you are quite evil and demented. You continue to steal from people and manipulate the emotions and situations of your victims with no remorse. One day, I hope you get what’s coming to you. One day, one of your victims is going to take matters into his own hands and successfully hunt you down….and when we all find out what happened to you…I doubt any of us will shed a tear. In fact, we may all break out into jubilant applause and give a toast to the one who finally rid this world of yet another piece of filth.
You stand as a permanent testament as to why we all must forever stand vigilant and ever careful and mindful of the online evils in the world. You truly have no conscience…and it’s very, very sad.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:41 pm
This blog is really getting interesting each day..lol, I totally agree with you Raymond. The fact that “Demonsyah” do not dare to meet Ferdy is becos he show no remorse at all. Until he dare to meet Ferdy one to one, if not whatever that “Demonsyah” comments posted here, makes him look dumber as we all read..
January 21st, 2010 at 4:57 pm
Hi Ray,
I agree with you. This Devian guy doesn’t care to what you feel or think. About Devian? I suspect He is just one of the small Indonesia underground community that constantly fraud people online. Some of them work as IT at the cyber cafe or company. They have a job but very underpaid. They are very web savvy but do not make enough money. The only thing they can do? trying to make extra money defrauding ppl online. These peopel are very dangerous. They can obtain your name, your address, your phone number, your credit card + PIN, your SS, your ID no and everything else. Their tricks keep changing every day. Either sending you the email claiming they are from BoFA/Chase/Citibank. Everything looks legit. All form looks like coming from official bank. But if you open the sender address? click on the full header? check the ip? they all come from proxy address. Proxy address means: You could be in Singapore but your ip can be masked with any ip and you can do anything illegal online with that masked ip. It is very very dangerous. It is hacker world. They steal and steal. They don’t care what you think. They careless to what you feel. They play with your thought. So how to defend yourself from online fraud or people like Devy?
Do not conduct any online transaction on any website without further doing your homework. DONT DO THAT!!
Do not open any email from anyone mostly the one with the attachment! Do not install any Free software! Do not let anyone use your computer with your access! Never click on any link on any email confirming they are from the bank.
The latest I notice: someone send the msg on your Face book containing the link of Trojans script/key logger script. Once you click on that? it is auto download. This script will install a small program to log every keystroke you perform on your computer.
The other is when you visit any page on the my space or face book or friendster. Their website comes with Trojans auto downloader script. When you visit this infected page? your computer becomes infected. Anything you type on your computer will be logged and one day? your saving will be wiped out. Some could even purchase the car under your name. Some could get a birth certificate under your son name. Someone could buy the house under you and your wife name.
So be careful.
I work as the network security so this small game of people like Devian is almost everywhere. There is no way to stop them. But there is a way for you to protect yourself from becoming a victim. Never never conduct any business online with anyone without doing your homework. Use pay pal to protect yourself. Do not wire transfer to anyone you don’t know.
But believe me. Without this blog (Thanks to Raymond). There will be another victim everyday.
So for anyone who read this blog? If someone from Indonesia with the name Devian tries to contact you with cheap iPhones/Computers? HANG UP!! lol or DO NOT ANSWER HIS EMAIL!!
Btw I received the text this morning from my wife relative in Jakarta. The address that Devian provides is not exist just like what I suspect. Lol.
January 21st, 2010 at 5:12 pm
John,
For anyone out there who is rather tech savvy and has sufficiently armed their computers with all appropriate spyware and anti-virus programs, I recommend messing with Deviansyah and other scammers around. If you have time to spare, I recommend contacting him or stringing him along to waste his time. Offer to buy a whole bunch of products and tell him you’ve already sent the money. Make up random Western Union numbers and keep promising him that you will send the money. Make random demands and promises to basically waste his time. Once he gives up and leaves, then I suggest creating a new email account and contacting him with your new identity to mess with his mind again. If we can manage to get hundreds of fake buyers to flood his emails accounts with bogus purchase inquiries, this might help dampen his ability to commit fraud on other people.
I’ve messed with many fraudulent scammers this way…and let me tell you, it’s pretty fun. They deserve the headache. Feel free to share your fun stories here. Any enemy of Deviansyah and of the scammers is my friend.
January 21st, 2010 at 5:18 pm
lol. I am okay with that. If you wanna see where this people gather everyday? Use irc and go to efnet, undernet or dalnet. They trade ppl information online. I saw on NBC where they trade the 5K credit card for $1K/piece. Ppl like Devian is everywhere. I hope he will get caught soon. Thats what I want to see.
January 21st, 2010 at 5:22 pm
It’s ridiculous how much personal information is traded around online like money. For all of the honest Indonesians out there…I sympathize. Scammers like Deviansyah are destroying your country’s reputation.
January 21st, 2010 at 9:27 pm
First of all, thanks to all my beloved friends. And just as i expected, seems everyone love this games. Either sending bogus demands, fake emails, etc. But when no deals, means no deals. It won’t wasting our time at all. And it won’t be headache at all too. As all it’s just a game created by Raymond.
Some people got effected by this blog, while many other people still doing business with us. My suggestion to you all, you should making this kind of silly ass blog, at least thousands. Or maybe millions. You got that?
Keep blogging guys and try to get some real jobs. PLEASE do not wasting too much time on computer. There are many jobs out there. I know there are global crisis at the moment, but perhaps you still could get some jobs. At Wendy’s maybe? LOL…
January 21st, 2010 at 9:42 pm
Greediness. It’s all you’ve got here. How can someone really believe there are iPhone 3gs selling at $200 – $300 per pcs? It’s ridiculous. But sad, many people still got scam, cheated and fraud, cause they still believe there are some cheap iphones, even more cheaper then the Apple store. While the fact is, there are no cheap iphones. It would be cheap, if you’re signing up the yearly contract with their provider (AT&T, Rogers, etc).
Take a look on EBAY. You may see range prices of iphones on EBAY. There are no price range between $200 – $300!!
To John,
Even local sellers on your country, still got many fake sellers. Look at the above articles, when someone got cheated by Go Daddy. Sounds familiar web portal in U.S.
Take my advised, trading some real items and real prices. Such as agricultural products, household products, garments, chemicals etc. I have changed my business from electronics into other commodities. For electronics, you will never find cheaper prices then the actual authorized stores. Unless you would like to trading with fake Chinese products for electronics.
This is just my advised.
January 21st, 2010 at 9:52 pm
I received many quotations of iphones, game consoles, laptops, etc each days. But only one real suppliers of game consoles i found on Hong Kong. BUT again, they are not selling brand new items. As all refurbished items.
For iphones, most of them are fake sellers. I realized this, and decides i cannot do any electronics trading anymore. Because i will never find any real sellers for real iphones products. IF we found real iphones, our commission would be not more than $2 – $3 each. As the prices are still high if you’re buying from real sellers.
For laptops, printers, etc pretty much the same. There are real sellers of printers and laptops, but again, it’s refurbished or second hands items.
For prices, you may searching and analyzing through EBAY, price tag, etc. You could see the actual prices for those items. If someone offering you cheaper prices, either it’s refurbished or fakes.
People, i’ve changed!! But why people still judging me by their reasons? Come on, give me a chance. People make mistakes. I did mistakes before with Raymond, but I’ve changed. It’s not fair at all, if you keep insulting me, judging me, even cursing me. Sad to hear, but I’m still here until today. Watching each one of you talking about rubbish. Talking about something i don’t do it anymore.
January 21st, 2010 at 10:02 pm
To anyone looking for real iphones:
Stock Iphones 3g 8/16gb
3gs 16/32gb
stock available 100 pcs
ready to go
thanks
Http://www.anadisk.com
Tel:412 727 8220
Address5E 3045 West Liberty Ave
Pittsburgh PA15216 USA
But do not expecting cheap prices. There are no cheap iphones selling on the market.
January 22nd, 2010 at 1:39 am
Deviansyah,
The website you provided is such an obvious fake. Once again…. Stop trying to scam people. Your continuous whining about how everyone is ganging up on you is just quite sad. As a scammer, you are very pathetic. If you’ve changed as you proclaim in your very whiny tone, then why do I continue to receive countless number of emails and comments asking for help in combating you specifically and your scammer ways? You are a scammer to the end and are pretty much a lost cause. There is truly nothing good inside of you anymore…one day you will get what you deserve.
January 22nd, 2010 at 1:49 am
Hellooo…. and which specific people sending you countless number of emails??
As far as i could see, it’s only you Raymond. No one else.
January 22nd, 2010 at 1:58 am
Devian,
I dont take advice from someone like you! It is very clear what you do to people. Regardless what you say or what you trying to do here? The way I see it? You just another low level crook. Even you act like you know everything here in the US? I know one thing for sure: You just a low level crook with a very sick mind. You try to play God. You think you know everything. Gosh. You dont know anything. You dont read very careful to what I write before. Yes there are a lot of people like you but you are so infamously unique. What you do is really low level. I used to deal with people like you. You dont have any business. You dont have any office/warehouse. I bet you just work as the admin in a small cybercafe in Jakarta, Bandung, Yogyakarta, Surabaya or Medan. You make only 750K rupiah a month. It is equal to $75/month. That is not really enough for you. Because why? because you are a dreamer. You dream to make much more money. You want to get rich quick. You are willing to do anything to scam people.
I notice you start do scam people on the Craigslist too? lol. What the heck! I bet you are one of the scammer on the craigslist that always send the fake email for offering to pay with paypal and send their item to Indonesia? and you send the fake email from paypal telling the seller that you already paid through paypal? lol.
You said you already stop frauding people?
Read this Dev:
Dec 31, 2009 … Mac Ibook G4 120GB,1GB RAM – $350 (Dormont:412 727 8220) … Location: Dormont:412 727 8220;
Dell Latitude D400 P4 M 1.7ghz M Centrino,Wifi,Xp – $160 (Dormont:412 727 8220)
You just another scammer and I have to agree with Raymond. Once a scammer? it is always a scammer.
Thats a kiddo game.
Ps: Hi Raymond. I think it is a good idea to remove the link and everything related to his business in this blog. lol. He got a free advertising here.
January 22nd, 2010 at 2:04 am
John,
No worries about listing Devian’s websites here. Because my blog generates very good traffic, by him including his scam websites here, it allows other people to search for those website names and find their way here. He’s actually exposing his scam activities by posting his website names. I think readers of this blog should know by now not to trust him. Everything he says is pure filth.
Be forewarned friends, this Deviansyah person is extremely devious and deceptive. Do not fall for his trickery and succumb to your own personal greed. Tread carefully when dealing with him.
January 22nd, 2010 at 2:14 am
John & Raymond,
what you guys said is true. This Devian crook must be some kind of admin in a small net cafe with only 500k-750k rupiah salary per month. He made much money by scamming on the internet and nowadays, I think he’s getting less and less victims to be scammed because of this wonderful blog made by Raymond. That’s why he keeps hanging around on this blog and tried to defend himself.
Well, I offer him a chance to redeem himself by meeting me one-on-one in person but what do I get? He blamed me and got mad at me… Well, maybe you’re right again Raymond, once a scammer always be a scammer. It’s very addictive perhaps, cheating people out of their hard earned money and getting money without doing anything at all except to write emails and doing all those sweet talks to lure victims.
To Devian, my offer still stands. If you want to redeem yourself and see Raymond write his public apology letter, feel free to contact me and we can arrange a meeting. I don’t care if you’ve changed to garments, etc. I just want to see for myself that you’ve really changed the way you said you have. Take me to your warehouse so that I can prove to all these people that you’re no longer a scammer and you can clear your name.
To all the people reading this blog, please don’t judge a country like Indonesia to be bad just because people like Devian exists. I believe there are many scammers around the world too. I’m just glad that I found this blog before I started my online venture last year. This blog have taught me countless and priceless things so that now I’m able to find reliable suppliers from China and I’ve learned many tricks used by scammers around the world.
February 3rd, 2010 at 5:52 pm
There are any Trusted sellers.
what do you think when the seller has GOLD member for 3 years.
February 4th, 2010 at 8:20 am
JOHN,
Bravo John, you seems like a pathetic fortune teller. tells everything in a wrong directions. Pretending to be smart, actually you’re nothing but a smart ass.
You’re right about something, FREE ADVERTISING!! I got several buyers who sympathy with my story after reading this blog. At first that person just like you all, cursing me. But at the end, it turns into good dealing.
Cybercafe?? Give me a break!! you gotta kidding me. You don’t have any single clue, how much money i got each month. And that’s not a dream. It’s a real DOLLARS!!
Once again, keep blogging and say blah blah blah… Cheers Amigo!!
February 4th, 2010 at 8:25 am
To “Smart” John,
Dec 31, 2009 … Mac Ibook G4 120GB,1GB RAM – $350 (Dormont:412 727 8220) … Location: Dormont:412 727 8220;
Dell Latitude D400 P4 M 1.7ghz M Centrino,Wifi,Xp – $160 (Dormont:412 727 8220)
Where the hell is Dormont??? Is it dumb mont? LOL…. You’re dumb and become dumber John.. I’m in Indonesia. Not dumb mont, or dumber or dormont.
Is there any MacBook cost $350?????? What a dumb to believe it John. If there is MacBook cost $350, i will buy 100 pcs.
February 4th, 2010 at 9:41 pm
Hi guys,
I couldn’t stop reading! I was supposed to be doing homework and instead I’ve been reading your threads for over 2 hours! I was looking for some gift boxes and spotted some nice ones on Alibaba. However, it just seemed to good to be true and that’s how I ended up on this website.
Question: Do you think the scams are across the board? or mainly on electronics?
It would be so awesome if you guys started a reputable vendor list. You can do it, you’ve formed a great community after all these years! Well, is there something like that out there? If so, let me know.
Anyway, this was just as exciting as watching a movie. I kept waiting for a twist, will Raymond turn out to be Devian? I have learned a lot. Thank you all, especially Raymond!
February 4th, 2010 at 10:01 pm
@Natalie
my advice to you is that Just be extra extra careful when you’re dealing online. Even E-Bay trusted seller sometimes cannot be trusted. Scammers exists across the board not just electronics coz i’ve been burnt one too many times when dealing with electronics, clothing and even accessories. I’m trying to make a list of good vendors I’ve dealt with but right now it’s still very little in number as every vendors have to go through my “extra-tight” screening process after I read through this blog.. =)
Anyway, your last comment is quite funny coz i used to think about that same twist too… At one point, the thought of Raymond turn out to be Devian himself came across my mind but after I talked with both Raymond and Devian and also some of Devian’s victims in my country, it all became clear to me. Raymond is doing a very great job keeping up this blog and Devian is just a cold-heartless man who just think about himself.
February 4th, 2010 at 10:35 pm
Gue terus terang kasihan dengan orang seperti loe Dev. Loe ngaku kaya? dan punya usaha yang membuat jutaan dollar? tapi diminta bukti tidak mau. Diajak ketemu di Jakarta tidak berani? lol.
Semua alamat yang loe kasih itu alamat kebon kosong atau warung. Atau alamat loe itu tidak ada sama sekali. Hahahaha.
Model2 orang kaya loe kan banyak sekali di Warnet. Bukan barang barulah itu Dev. Penipu kaya loe diwarnet banyak sekali. Dari anak sekolahan sampe pegawai kantoran yang memang pas pasan sekali pendapatannya.
Jadi apapun yang loe bilang? buat gue sendiri? loe tetep anak warnet. Pikiran loe itu hanya menipu dan menipu orang.
Loe bergaya kaya loe paling pinter dan tau semuanya? Yang gue tau? Loe anak kecil di tubuh orang dewasa. Otak loe kecil. Cara pemikiran loe dangkal sekali.
Makanya gue bilang kalo loe memang usahanya jelas dan bikin jutaan dollar nih. lol. Kasih alamat usaha loe disini, nomor telp dan lain lain. Nanti gue bisa minta orang di Jakarta untuk verifikasi semua informasi itu. Kalau memang hasil investigasi di lapangan terbukti bener? Gue akan tarik semua kata kata gue di blog ini. Gue akan minta maaf di blog ini.
Tapi yang pasti itu tidak akan terjadi. Karena apa? yah karena orang seperti loe Dev? sudah jelas jelas penipu. Dan dimana mana itu hukumnya jelas. Sekali penipu akan tetap menjadi penipu. Apapun yang loe lakukan di kemudian hari? loe masih dianggap penipu. Apapun yang loe katakan disini untuk membela diri? tidak ada gunanya.
Gue banyak ketemu orang seperti loe waktu gue di Indonesia. Dari Jakarta, Bandung, Surabaya, Medan sampai di Yogyakarta. Yang namanya chatroom itu penuh dengan model2 orang seperti loe. Kalau ngga dagang credit card orang yah belanja dengan carding pake credit card orang. Atau kalo ngga belajar hacking online store.
Makanya yang gue bilang orang2 seperti loe yang membuat orang Indonesia susah untuk melakukan bisnis secara murni. Karena orang orang seperti loe lah untuk belanja barang di Amazon.com aja credit card Indonesia di tolak. Karena orang orang seperti loe lah untuk melakukan bisnis dengan pihak luar susah sekali.
Jadi yang semua gue katakan disini itu harusnya membuat loe sadar dan do something different. Bukannya malah membela diri dan lain-lain. Tapi kayanya setelah gue baca ulang.
Gue pikir untuk orang seperti loe ngga ada istilah sadar. Karena sepertinya loe bangga juga kalo loe jadi terkenal begitu? hehehe iya ngga Dev?
Yang jelas nih sehebat hebatnya loe nepu orang? cepat atau lambat? loe bakalan ada yang stop. gue percaya itu.
Dan gue yakin loe akan meneruskan kegiatan loe untuk scamming people untuk selamanya.
Kan sekali scammer tetap scammer. hehe
Right Amigo? lol
(lucu banget loe waktu bilang2 Amigo. kekekeke. kaya itu orang2 madura yang illegal2 di depan home depot yang lagi cari kerjaan. jangan2 loe dulu pernah di amrik yah dev? terus di deport sama imigrasi? kekekekek).
February 5th, 2010 at 1:05 am
will Raymond turn out to be Devian? Hmm.. i think you’re right Natalie… once again, this is just a blog. Anyone here could be anything they want. or writing anything they want.
To my beloved friends Ferdy,
I just wondering, what’s the benefits for you, to keep writing about something, and that something you don’t even have any single clues. Devian’s victim??? Hmmm… it seems so many victims because of me. Anyway, one simple question to you Ferdy. Do you have any physical proof or evidenced that cheated by me?? I guess i know the answer. Telling about something when you don’t have any single proof or physical evidence, it’s called backbite. But hey, as my beloved friends, you may say anything you want my dear Ferdy. Keep trying and trying, never give up.
Cheers to all my beloved friends. I am trying harder here, to find you all a single job. So all of you could have something to do other then blogging.
February 5th, 2010 at 1:14 am
just info to all my friends here. Not all people have similar thought like you did. Some of people are still using their logic, instead of listening to this whole jokes. All of those articles above are just based on personal opinion, without having any physical proof or evidenced. I would really love to see all evidenced here. Such as my photos, proof of invoice, my signature, any single details that you might have. or any single proof that indicated you was cheated by me. All of those non sense articles above, are nothing more than just a simple text. Written by someone so called Raymond, Jack, Simpson, Blair, Michael, Pamela Anderson or even Ronald Reagan. No one knows if it’s real person, or someone using someone’s name.
Do you have it? or you don’t? Let people think !!
February 5th, 2010 at 1:19 am
Deviansyah is 100%criminal,
February 5th, 2010 at 11:37 am
JOHN atau FERDY atau siapapun. Jelas jelas kayanya lo sendiri yang kegiatannya sehari hari di warnet atau internet cafe. Hari ini pakai John, besok Ferdy, besoknya lagi entah siapa.
Jadi lo tinggal di Amrik? Kenapa lo? Takut dibakar seperti 98 kemarin? Cina cina kaya lo memang banyak tuch yang jadi penghianat bangsa. Gayanya sich boleh, tapi ujung ujungnya nipu juga. Bukan begitu? Udah rahasia umum, kalau Chinese itu biangnya tipu. Tapi cara mereka tipu lebih canggih. Ada yang buka judi, buka prostitusi, atau massage. Mungkin lo juga punya bokap,usaha begituan. Pantes ajah, bisa kirim anaknya ke Amrik. Mestinya gue yang kasihan sama lo, ngaku tinggal di Amrik, ngaku hidup nyaman atau kerja halal. Tapi kenyataannya? Lo tetap jadi warga negara kelas 2. Kalau dibandingkan setara dengan negro negro disana. Tapi sekali lagi, namanya Cina, seperti benalu. Tinggal di jawa, ngomong jawanya sama dengan jawa asli. Tinggal di Jakarta, ngomongnya pake lo gue juga. Tinggal di amrik gayanya ngikutin gaya orang amrik.
Mending gini aja dech. Lo ga usah komentarin gue apa apa lagi. Soalnya apa yang lo komentarin itu, sama sekali nol, alias tanpa bukti. Mending lo cari kerja ajah, jadi ga ngurusin orang.
Orang macam lo, cuma bisa koar koar di blog. tulis macam macam. Typical chinese lah.. Dibakar lagi nanti, bingung mau migrasi kemana. Hayahhh… lo olang bisa bisa nanti oe bakal lagi loohh.. hayaahhh….
February 5th, 2010 at 11:38 am
Deviansyah is 100% good
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(Editor’s Note: Based on matching IP addresses, this specific comment was posted by Deviansyah in a lame attempt to pose as another commentator. What a pathetic loser….)
February 5th, 2010 at 4:32 pm
Well Dev,
You can ask the Editor whether John and Ferdy is the same person or totally different people. About me being chinese? lol. Yang jelas kalo di Indonesia orang kaya loe yang dibakar duluan. hehehe. I am not Chinese or Other race in Indonesia. I consider myself Indonesian. I have some Chinese friends and they are really honest businessmen. They trade with 1 goal is to make a good profit in honest way. I think you are not only scammer but racist too. The way I see it? regardless what you think Dev? You are not only shallow but also pathetic. The more you write here? the more I know: “you are just another kid who like to scam other people online”.
Believe me if you really a businessman like you claim here? Leave your phone number here and you address? I can have my cousin in Jakarta to meet with you to verify everything about you and your multimillion business. lol.
Kalo mau kita bisa ketemu di Jakarta summer ini. Gue mau lihat siapa yang china? gue apa loe! hehehe.
Orang kaya loe Dev? banyak di Jakarta jadi waktu gue baca blog begini? Gue tau persis loe kaya gimana. Jadi jangan merembet kemana2. Begini saja. Kita cari gampang. Leave your phone number and your address here? and I can have someone to meet you in Jakarta, Indonesia. Atau terserah loe mau ketemu di mana. Mau di meruya juga gue ladenin. Kita lihat siapa yang lebih china. Loe apa gue. lol.
Soal Raymond sama Dev sama? seperti yang Natahlie bilang? lol. Gue malah mikir. Jangan Nathalie itu Dev sendiri. hehehe its just another spin!
Tapi soal gue sama Ferdi? hehehe. Yang jelas kita beda. and I believe a guy like Ferdi? he is a real businessman who try in honest way to make a good money. We made some contact and I know he is a real businessman.
Yes I live here in the US. I run my own business. I also work as network security consultant. I dont make million dollars. I just make enough money for living. I used to live in Indonesia for years so I dont feel right to see someone like Dev terrorize people with his scamming business. Because people like Dev making it really hard for other Indonesian to do business online or even to do transaction online.
February 5th, 2010 at 11:19 pm
sorry to hear. I went through a similar situation with a supplier in china that i had found on Alibaba.com, the company was a GOLD MEMBER supplier ( Shanhai Minyue) how sad and alibaba claims they conduct a third party investigation making sure that GOLD MEMBERS are legit. There sales people were very friendly and helpful at the beggining and once they received my payment that was it , all my emails chat messages etc. were being ignored..luckly i had only ordered a sample so the loss in terms of $$ was not high, but it doesnt matter getting scammed is getting scammed whether for a buck or two you still feel like crap afterwards and blame urself for not realizing all the signs right infront of you….what pisses me off is that alibaba allows GOLD MEMBER scammers when these companies are suppose to be legit and real and it seems that many people have been scammed by this company SHANGHAI MINYUE and yet alibaba.com still has not done anything about it…….BUYERS BE AWARE DO NOT DEAL WITH SHANGHAI MINYUE THEY ARE SCAMMERS
February 6th, 2010 at 11:06 am
Hi…whos edit my comment for devian?….i say Deviansyah is 100% criminal …..
Devian is sick
February 6th, 2010 at 11:06 am
klo bisa jagan di bakar di mutilasi……berani cuma lewat tulisan……duel aja klo brani
February 6th, 2010 at 11:09 am
Come Dev…fight with me…..
February 7th, 2010 at 12:13 pm
JOHN,
Mulut lo ternyata besar juga yah… he..he.. terus terang gue jadi semakin suka baca semua tulisan lo disini… tapi satu yang gue heran, kok lo ngotot banget mau ketemu gue? lo butuh gue? LOL… Kenapa ga lo cari sendiri nomor telpon gue, alamat gue, atau lainnya. Bukannya di blog ini semua informasi tentang gue ada?? Kok lo masih bingung?? LOL…. or maybe you’re not that smart enough… or even dumb… LOL….
Network consultant?? really?
Soal Cina, ga usah dibahas bro… dari cara lo ngomong atau attitude lo, udah kelihatan… so, ga usah lo merasa risih kalau gue sebut lo cina… Nama lo John atau bukan, itu cuma lo yang tahu…. lo juga ga kasih identitas jelas lo disini… kalau gue khan jelas identitasnya…. lo baca ajah diatas… I don’t have nothing to hide here… Even i wrote my real name here… DEVIANSYAH…. clear?? Not like you or any other people, using fake names…. I’m using my name, because i don’t have nothing to hide here…why should i using fake names??
Bro, kalau lo memang smart, lo cari dong dimana gue…. ngapain juga gue mesti repot repot invite lo…. LOL…. Lo kasih ajah alamat, telpon orang lo di jakarta… nanti gue yang temuin mereka…
February 7th, 2010 at 12:16 pm
cyber crime div Says:
February 5th, 2010 at 11:38 am
Deviansyah is 100% good
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(Editor’s Note: Based on matching IP addresses, this specific comment was posted by Deviansyah in a lame attempt to pose as another commentator. What a pathetic loser….)
Ohh yes, it’s written by me…. just to let people knows, that everyone here could using someone’s name or any names they wanna be…. but me, I’m using my own names… What a dumb editor)…
February 7th, 2010 at 12:29 pm
Cyber Crime Div,
This Deviansyah guy is trying to pose as you. He’s posting comments with your profile name…however the matching IP addresses give away his identity. Yeah…he’s obviously up to his no good scammer tricks.
Deviansyah, why do insist on these type of tiresome ploys to scam people? Have you ever considered running a real business instead of constantly trying to scam good honest people? You are also destroying the reputations of honest Indonesians…it’s very sad. One of these days, you will rot in prison for what you’ve done over the course of the last few years.
February 7th, 2010 at 7:50 pm
Hi Ferdy!
Thank you for replying to my post. I have read all your posts, I feel like I know you! I’m so glad you’re putting a list of vendors together, I can’t wait until you publish it. In the meantime, I will continue to look for my gift boxes here in the US, I just haven’t been able to find the styles I’m looking for.
I wish the people from earlier posts would make a come back, like Richard and Victor. Like you, they were good people and very entertaining.
You know who Devian reminds me of? Eddie Murphy on “The Nutty Professor”! Have you seen it? Eddie Murphy plays multiple roles, the mother, grandfather, brother, etc. Whenever I read Devian’s posts as Allan, Hammilton, O’neill, cyber crime div, etc. I can’t help but picture Devian in a really bad disguise!! LOL!
February 7th, 2010 at 8:36 pm
@ John,
John, if its possible, may i ask your email address so i can contact and discuss some delicate things with you? If you’re not comfortable writing ur email here, please send an email to me at fkartika@gmail.com… cheers John
February 7th, 2010 at 8:55 pm
Cyber Crime Div…. wuiihhhh ngeri bener namanya….
Fight? Boleh ajah… kasih aja alamat lo dimana…. nanti kita lihat, mulut lo sebesar kontol lo atau ga….
February 7th, 2010 at 8:57 pm
Cyber Crime Div….. pake nama asli dong kalau blogging…. kenapa, lo takut???? Taro nama asli lo disini… sekalian alamat lo….. kita lihat mulut lo yang besar itu….
February 8th, 2010 at 10:38 am
kkwkwkwkwkwk sekali scammer tetap scammer……..tunggu aja deh tanggal mainnya siapa yg mulut besar…..kwkwkwwkwkw tajam mana antara mulut si Dev ama peluru……….
February 8th, 2010 at 10:42 am
mau temuan?……hahahahaha la womg di ajak temuan ama customer aja sejuta alasan ga bisa temuan……hahahahahahaha klo berani temuin ama customer yg mau pesen barang…………………..masa mintanya cuma lewat transfer bank…………klo emang bisnis beneran mau dong di ajak temuan ma calon customer…..la wong alamat kantor aja smua fiktif…………alamat gudang org lo kasi…di aku kantor lo……wah perlu di tangani ama densus 88 di 860 kan aja ni org kayak gini
February 8th, 2010 at 10:46 am
jangan berlagak lebih galak bos ama korban korban lo….kedok lo dah banyak yg tau…….tinggal A1 aja tuh………
dari pada lo karang cerita….tipu org lo enak jadi penulis skenario film aja…halal bung……kkwkwkwkwkwk……..jgn bangga dgn kelakuan lo…….jangan kira ibadah yg lo buat bisa menambah bahkan nyelamatin lo dari api neraka bung…Allah kagak bisa disuap dengan kepura puraan lo…..Allah eneg ..mual liat lo…kwkwkwkwkwkwkhati hati bos dgn tingkah laku lo………………dah makanan gw ringkus org macam lo……….
February 8th, 2010 at 10:50 am
Dev….u bilang identitas u jelas…….LOL tai tuh
mana
February 8th, 2010 at 10:53 am
semua alamt lo dah gw cek…..ga ada satupun yg bener………..sampe kantor lo juga mana…yg di bekasipun palsu…………
dah lah……..kalo tipu ya tetap penipu…….
coba kalo u bener coba alamat lo kantor lo dmana?………………
February 8th, 2010 at 10:55 am
untuk dev..ntar lo akan tau sendiri siapa gw……………….
February 8th, 2010 at 8:24 pm
Peluru? Wakkakkaakka….. beneran nich boss? Serem juga dengarnya…. kalau memang benar, gue tunggu boss…. Ngomong lo gede juga yahh…. buktiin ajah boss…. gue tunggu…. biar sekalian nanti lo isepin peler gue yahh…. wakkakkaaakkka… kontol lo…
February 8th, 2010 at 8:30 pm
katanya lo udah cek satu satu alamat gue???? Kok masih tanya??? Lo goblok atau tolol??? Gue tunggu lo boss…. lo kasih bukti omongan besar lo itu….. cuap cuap doang lo…
Jangan sok ancam ancam gue dech… mau muntah gue lihat gaya lo…
February 9th, 2010 at 1:18 am
muntah aja …. sapa yg doyan huaaaaaaa hahahahahahahah
udah penipu ga mau ngaku coy…….
February 9th, 2010 at 11:54 am
Huaaa LOL Dev……mas kalo udah nipu …ya nipu aja…..jgn sok lebih galak…..
wow sampe peler peler segala…..emangnya penipu mash punya peler?…..
enaknya u ngaku aja dari pada babak bonyok mas…….
February 9th, 2010 at 11:57 am
peler?….apaan sih itu kwkwkwkwkwk
peler sampe di bawa bawa ni…………..
Dev……mas Dev………..emangnya punya peler?…kayaknya ga tuh……gw tau……..boro boro peler……anunya aja kalo tegang segede kelingking……
February 10th, 2010 at 9:00 pm
@Rully… lo di Singapore? dimananya? jangan jangan tinggal di Geylang lagi….LOL… Babak bonyok?? masa? Buktiin dech kalo lo bisa babak bonyokin gue…. gue tunggu….
@Shanti.. Memangnya pernah buka peler gue?? Tapi kalo lo mau sich, boleh ajah… asal tampang lo ga hancur ajah… kalo tampang lo hancur, peler gue pasti jadi kecil…. LOL…
Makin banyak ajah nich “fans” gue…. Keep writing…. and better be good next time…
February 10th, 2010 at 9:14 pm
TO ALL MY “FANS” and FOLLOWERS… I feel so much alive to read all these non sense things… And i feel so much sad, cause none of you couldn’t proof anything you said…
None of you ever see me in person
None of you ever dealing with me (except Raymond of course)
None of you ever cheated by me
IF ANYONE OF YOU EVER CHEATED BY ME, ROBED BY ME, LOST YOUR MONEY BECAUSE OF ME…. PLEASE PROVIDING ANY PHYSICAL EVIDENCE OR PROOF HERE!!! Except again for Raymond. Yes i had some problems with Raymond on my past !! The rest of the guys here, only talking RUBBISH!!
February 10th, 2010 at 9:21 pm
I AM USING MY OWN NAME WHEN BLOGGING HERE…(I don’t using A.K.A, etc)
I AM NOT HIDING MY IP ADDRESS WHEN BLOGGING HERE…(even i could hiding it)
I AM NOT HIDING MY PERSONAL IDENTITY HERE…
I AM USING MY OWN EMAIL ADDRESS WHEN BLOGGING HERE…(Raymond could see it)
CONCLUSIONS: I don’t have anything to hide from all of you here… I am here because i need to defending my self from people that never knows me before or even never deal with me on any business before.
To you Raymond, you may written about anything here. You’re right, i had problems with you before. BUT THE REST OF THE BLOGGERS??? Did you ever dealing with me before??
Victor, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Buffort T. Pusser, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Zotyak, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Stan, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Valdazzar, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Gregory, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Sam, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Paul, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Sharon, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
this_is_too_funny, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
scammer_terminator, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO !!
Melissa, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO
Ferdy, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO!!
Senchi, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO!!
FERDY, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO!!
Cyber Crime Div, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO!!
Shanti, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO!!
John, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO!!
Knight, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO!!
Natalie, did you lost your money because of me? the answer is NO!!
February 11th, 2010 at 2:33 am
Deviansyah
You seem rather completely oblivious to the fact that you’ve cheated people in the past before, namely myself. It’s been years now and yet you still hold onto the funds that you managed to scam out of me rather than return them. You make absolutely zero effort towards returning the money you’ve fraudulently obtained, and would rather spend your days posting here whining about how all the mean people are all ganging up on your poor little self.
How about actually returning people’s money and stop being a thief for a change? There are countless numbers of old and new people here who continue to be scammed by you. You are seriously demented and psychotic. I don’t understand your logic.
February 11th, 2010 at 5:49 pm
can i use alipay for make me secure
2nd its secure i think when i will get my device then i will relese amount
February 13th, 2010 at 6:15 pm
I am so pissed, dude! I got scammed and i still dont believe it, this kind of thing we think that never happen but .. damn, i feel so dumb right now. I lost usd588.00 for the following piece of shit rats,
Firs Name: Derry
Last Name: Juanda
Andress : JALAN PERINTIS Kermerdekaan no.78
Zip Code : 20919
City : Medan
State : Sumatra Utara
Country : Indonesia
This is the name of the poor little fuck and also his Wester Union bank.
I found the contact in alibaba.com under the fake name of BUHIT MUSIK company, the rat also have another fake company called MILLENIUM HUPPE.
I bought an eletronic device, i paid via wester union but never receive it.
What everyone should take notice is.. this scumm bags are extremely organized, they have fake shipping couriers websites, they play a very emotional drama while talking with you and blah blah blah. Those rats got to be smashed in the head.
February 15th, 2010 at 7:34 am
hahahahahahahaha
sorry for what happen to you
February 16th, 2010 at 1:17 am
It’s very tricky when you buy from alibaba. I have been buying from alibaba for about 3 years now. Luckily, I have not been scammed. I have dropped many companies who do not follow my rules. I graduated in international business and remembered some important details in buying international stuff online. I will give you some that will help you weed out the fraud companies. First, Check to see how long the company been with alibaba. The fraud companies will only have a short time on alibaba before they kick them off for complaints. check online for any fraud complaints of that company.. Second, most business manufactures does not take paypal. Ask if they take L/C ( letter of credit) If so, how many times and what U.S bank did they used the most often from US customers. Write or call to the U.S bank and ask did they have any problems with the company in fulfilling their obligations with L/C. Third, If they don’t take L/C, ask if they take alipay or other escrow payments. Forth, If the company only takes t/t ( Bank to Bank transaction) Get ahold of a U.S embassy ( look online at http://www.TRADE.GOV. FOR UPDATED SECURITY AND OPPERTUNITY NEWS) in that part of the country and ask if they are an actual business as stated. Fifth, Real business wants to make you happy so that you are a customer that keeps on buying from them. They will never rush you on a one time deal. They make their money by you keep coming back and buying more of their merchandise. And final, NEVER, NEVER pay with Western Union until you have developed a long term relationship with the company. It is so risky, that I have not even consider the option. TOO RISKY. They can take your money and there is nothing you can do about it except complain…>>>>
February 16th, 2010 at 4:34 am
Oh and another thing, Make sure you don’t buy any name brands from alibaba. Check with the name brand company to see if they are authorized to sell their product if you are determined to buy it here at alibaba. Almost all name brand companies will have an authorized sellers list of who may sell their products. If the company that you are dealing with are not on the list, you can bet that it’s either fake, stolen, or fraud. This place is for international manufactures, chemical factories, and growers to sell their product. For me, I buy metals, non-name brand tools or equipment, and chemicals for a variety of uses. Remember, This is for a business to business transaction that requires buying large quantity of merchandise that may be too large for ebay home-business. And finally, (I know i keep writing, but I want people to get educated in reducing fraud) If they sell items from another country’s origin. I.E; China selling Mexican patron tequila.. Think Think. why are you buying from a middleman in china for a tequila made in mexico. Good luck
February 17th, 2010 at 5:18 am
What a bunch of friggin whingers, you all tried to buy something for next to nothing. then come on here and say its Alibabas fault.The girl who said about buying laptops at a stupid low price, hello Einstein, if its too good to be true, it usually is. Pay a good price and you wont get scammed,human beings are so friggin stupid
February 18th, 2010 at 11:43 pm
Deviansyah…..u losser
February 23rd, 2010 at 7:28 pm
Anybody dealt with IKAZI INC ….. they deal with original new Iphones , so they say.
However, they only accept Western Union. I am supposed to send the money through the Western Union in UK under a name that I only know. Then, I have to send him an receipt of the money as proof to him. Then, he will send me the products and once I received them and I am satisfied I have to change the name to his so can collect the money. Is this safe. I never did business through Western Union. What do you THINK??? I am new at this and I am not sure how to go about !!!!
Thank you
Paul
February 24th, 2010 at 8:41 pm
@Paul
My experience say that never ever deal with merchants who only accepts Western Union as their method of trading (at least when you trade first time with them). How do you even know the first name he gave you is not his REAL name?? It might be his real name but he said that it’s not his real name to lure you into buying from him. Do careful research and if possible, pay using paypal or credit card which is safer than western union. Ask him for more proof if you’re still in doubt. Check his company’s address to see if that address is legit and call him if you must. Well, this is just my opinion but the decision is all up to you.
Cheers..
March 2nd, 2010 at 6:31 pm
@ Paul.
If you have read my previous message you would know that this is either a fraud or fake iphone. Check with apple to see if they are a registered apple retailer.. DONT’ BUY from this guy. IF YOU DO, YOU WILL BE SORRY LATER!!!
March 3rd, 2010 at 12:05 am
I lost $450 for 10 pairs Vibram shoes , don’t buy from Guizhou zhongming trading company limited in China , too bad I didn’t read this forum before , I’m single mother with 2 school kids. I’m counting every cent & I can’t believe what I did. I’m so happy I live in USA and I will never over buy anything from China cockroaches ! But what comes around goes around .
March 4th, 2010 at 4:38 am
@ Andrea
I am sorry for your lost. I have a degree in international business and was lucky to have not been scammed at alibaba. I have checked with Guizhou zhongming trading company limited and found that their sites have several red flags. First, they sell too many different name brand merchandise ranging from cellular phones to computers. Most manufactures in china do not have the authority to sell name brand computers or cellular phones. Secondly, they sell all this merchandise, however, they just got a license less than a year. Again, If you are looking for name brand computers or cellular phones, look at sites that sell here in the U.S. It’s cheaper and will probably not get scammed. (look at liquidation.com). This place has many honest companies that sell raw materials, non-brand electronics, or bulk equipment.
March 9th, 2010 at 7:10 pm
Since last november I made contact with Guangdong Jiangmen City Yetong Electric Vehicles Company Limited, through a supposed international executive (it was shown on their website as such) named Samuel Xia, our fist contact was via alibaba.com I enclose the receipt from the bank to which this Samuel told me to deposit for 3 electric vehicles.
After two weeks of having made the deposit, the supplier, represented by Yunjin Guan, says the person that was our contact (Samuel Xia) does not work on the company since a while ago, and that the account info he gave us was not theirs, but he actually send us an email from the very same email account, ( samuel_jmyetong@126.com) saying he didnt review that email often because he had no time!!!even it was posted on their website as their international contact. He changed it after all my problem.
I need help. We made the transfer 2 weeks go for $7853 usdlls, which were the savings of our lives.
I cant believe Guan says the person has not been working with them since a while ago, yet his name and mobile phone were listed on the website
http://www.jmyetong.com , on the contact us section, it said clearly Samuel Xia international executive, mobile 008613672988535
We started negotiations via email since november last year,our first contact with this company was via alibaba, and from there they reached us through the same email account, samuel_jmyetong@126.com
and since then they didnt checked the email or change it or cancelled it. Until now that we made the transfer. It seems quite illogical to me.
We acced to make the transaction since the company is in their 2nd year gold supplier member in alibba.com
If he stopped working with them WHY DIDNT THEM :
1) post and add in alibaba and their website
2) erase his name and contact info from the website
3) cancel the email they showed on their website if this person was still in use of it, or change the password, anything
To me it feels like the supplier’s fault, by all that am enlisting on top.
After Yunjin Guan knew about the scam, I asked him for help since I am pennyless now and cant go to China, and told him it seemed to me he had ALL responisbility. The answer he gave is that he is very busy all the time, so he never had time to change the contact info (until now) and that he doesnt have time to check all their employees´s info. I asked him for help to contact this person, and he said he wasnt local. He couldnt reach him. He is busy. And obviously he is not responding as in merchandise, since the money, he says, never made it to the company.
I really need help.
March 14th, 2010 at 9:19 pm
Maria,
Sorry to hear what happened to you. I think the supplier and Samuel Xia work together in this scam/fraud, and probably Yunjin Guan and Samuel Xia are the same person in disguise. Hope this may help. I suggest you take it easy and slow as it will prove to be long, hard and very tedious to get your money back and justice served. Don’t let anger or despair consume you too far, you have a long life and many more worthy things to pursue. Take care.
March 16th, 2010 at 12:11 pm
I just scammed by a bastard named wang neng cai buyibg laptops
email ofhim : dianaelectronics@hotmail.com
company : xiamen xintrade
bank :
bank of china , putian branch
beneficiary wang neng cai
i lost 1003 dollar
March 17th, 2010 at 6:03 pm
Rule of thumb for international business:
1. Pay with paypal after you contact paypal. If the account is less than 2 years? Do not pay with Paypal.
2. Never pay with Bank Transfer if you never done any business with your counterpart. Once you wire the money? you and your bank have no power to retreive the money.
3. Never pay with Western Union/Money Gram. If you do that? it is like sending your money to your brother aka FREE MONEY. lol.
Use broker. Play smart. Trade smart. Use extra caution. Go to EBAY and you can find traders from different nationality. Check their number behind the user name. Any number less than 100? Dont buy big number. Buy or Trade locally if you can do that.
Dont buy any American product from China! It is Fake for sure. If you need iphone or blackberry? I can purchase them for you. You can email me johnylim@rocketmail.com and I will formally provide you with price quote with company name and you pay with Paypal or Bank Transfer.
If you need other stuff from US? I can assist you too. Email me what you need and I will do my best to assist you.