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		<title>By: Knight</title>
		<link>http://www.moneybluebook.com/how-i-got-scammed-by-a-seller-on-alibaba/#comment-23468</link>
		<dc:creator>Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raymond,

I got your points &#38; will remember it dearly =) I guess a lot of people out there are either not educated enough or simply blind by greediness. I hope that anyone before plunging into a online transaction is to learn through other people's lesson &#38; tips, so as to learn to be wiser and not fallen under a victim of its own. 

Cheers,
All the best in your business!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raymond,</p>
<p>I got your points &amp; will remember it dearly =) I guess a lot of people out there are either not educated enough or simply blind by greediness. I hope that anyone before plunging into a online transaction is to learn through other people&#8217;s lesson &amp; tips, so as to learn to be wiser and not fallen under a victim of its own. </p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
All the best in your business!</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond</title>
		<link>http://www.moneybluebook.com/how-i-got-scammed-by-a-seller-on-alibaba/#comment-23436</link>
		<dc:creator>Raymond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 06:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Knight,

Yes, I think there are legitimate wholesale companies and suppliers on Alibaba, but like with all formerly good things, evil do-ers like the scammers and spammers out there have made it hard to separate the good from the bad. 

You can still find honest companies on Alibaba, but you'll need to thoroughly do you detective homework. Remember, legitimate companies will rarely try to force you into immediate action. Honest companies understand the inherent fraud risks of conducting business online and will usually be very willing to provide substantial verification information of their authenticity. To avoid an Alibaba scam, you'll need to make sure you thoroughly vet the company. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Knight,</p>
<p>Yes, I think there are legitimate wholesale companies and suppliers on Alibaba, but like with all formerly good things, evil do-ers like the scammers and spammers out there have made it hard to separate the good from the bad. </p>
<p>You can still find honest companies on Alibaba, but you&#8217;ll need to thoroughly do you detective homework. Remember, legitimate companies will rarely try to force you into immediate action. Honest companies understand the inherent fraud risks of conducting business online and will usually be very willing to provide substantial verification information of their authenticity. To avoid an Alibaba scam, you&#8217;ll need to make sure you thoroughly vet the company. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Knight</title>
		<link>http://www.moneybluebook.com/how-i-got-scammed-by-a-seller-on-alibaba/#comment-23435</link>
		<dc:creator>Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 06:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the sharing your valuable experience with us, cos recently I just sign up the free account with Alibaba, which I was quite skeptical in the buying and selling business transaction. I will definitely be more extra cautious in the tell-tale signs. Would you still encourage people to do business using Alibaba.com service in future based on your experience?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the sharing your valuable experience with us, cos recently I just sign up the free account with Alibaba, which I was quite skeptical in the buying and selling business transaction. I will definitely be more extra cautious in the tell-tale signs. Would you still encourage people to do business using Alibaba.com service in future based on your experience?</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.moneybluebook.com/how-i-got-scammed-by-a-seller-on-alibaba/#comment-22704</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 04:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sorry to hear about your story.  I have had a similar experience that I am going through right now with a guy from iOffer.com.  You should do like I did and write a review about them warning other people so they don't get scammed.  I write my reviews on Review Page (&lt;a href="http://www.ReviewPage.com" target="blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;link&lt;/a&gt;) and View Points (&lt;a href="http://www.Viewpoints.com" target="blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;link&lt;/a&gt;).

Best of luck in the future!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sorry to hear about your story.  I have had a similar experience that I am going through right now with a guy from iOffer.com.  You should do like I did and write a review about them warning other people so they don&#8217;t get scammed.  I write my reviews on Review Page (<a href="http://www.ReviewPage.com" target="blank" rel="nofollow">link</a>) and View Points (<a href="http://www.Viewpoints.com" target="blank" rel="nofollow">link</a>).</p>
<p>Best of luck in the future!</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
		<link>http://www.moneybluebook.com/how-i-got-scammed-by-a-seller-on-alibaba/#comment-19042</link>
		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to hear about your experience. I stumbled on your site as I was doing by due diligence about purchasing a product through a wholesaler I found on Alibaba. After reading your article as well as other discouraging posting from other people who have been scammed by sellers on Alibaba, I've decided not to use this wholesaler. Thanks for your post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to hear about your experience. I stumbled on your site as I was doing by due diligence about purchasing a product through a wholesaler I found on Alibaba. After reading your article as well as other discouraging posting from other people who have been scammed by sellers on Alibaba, I&#8217;ve decided not to use this wholesaler. Thanks for your post.</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond</title>
		<link>http://www.moneybluebook.com/how-i-got-scammed-by-a-seller-on-alibaba/#comment-17858</link>
		<dc:creator>Raymond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 17:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've noticed that scammers tend to use actual but random European addresses - frequently they are addresses to actual post offices or hotels.

I've sent a few letters to listed addresses before but the letters always bounced back to me due to failure of delivery receipt.

I don't know about everyone else, but I personally refuse to do business with anyone who is not from the United States anymore. American laws do a substantially better job of protecting consumers from scams and illegal online activities. 

French and English addresses are frequently used by scammers for some unexplained reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve noticed that scammers tend to use actual but random European addresses - frequently they are addresses to actual post offices or hotels.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve sent a few letters to listed addresses before but the letters always bounced back to me due to failure of delivery receipt.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about everyone else, but I personally refuse to do business with anyone who is not from the United States anymore. American laws do a substantially better job of protecting consumers from scams and illegal online activities. </p>
<p>French and English addresses are frequently used by scammers for some unexplained reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Vinnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vinnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raymond,
Does this address looks like Eastern Europe (Romania, Ukraine), Africa (English speaking countries like Nigeria), or South East Asia (Indonesia) ??

77 RUE DU SERGENT BLANDAN. 54000 - Nancy - France

Also i could publish the transferred receipt here. Where the destination into one of the bank in France. 

I think scammer is around the world now. Perhaps on your country too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raymond,<br />
Does this address looks like Eastern Europe (Romania, Ukraine), Africa (English speaking countries like Nigeria), or South East Asia (Indonesia) ??</p>
<p>77 RUE DU SERGENT BLANDAN. 54000 - Nancy - France</p>
<p>Also i could publish the transferred receipt here. Where the destination into one of the bank in France. </p>
<p>I think scammer is around the world now. Perhaps on your country too.</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond</title>
		<link>http://www.moneybluebook.com/how-i-got-scammed-by-a-seller-on-alibaba/#comment-17486</link>
		<dc:creator>Raymond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard, 

My experience occurred a few years ago, but at the time I did manage to speak to him over the phone and threaten police action and criminal prosecution (empty threats obviously). I recall his voice clearly and couldn't figure out what type of accent he had. He definitely was not American...the accent was just foreign...Indian almost. I remember him trying to avoid the conversation saying that he needed to travel to Singapore or something weird like that.

Yes I've Googled his name many times and have tried to figure out his identity but I can't say for sure that one of those links is definitely him. I highly doubt he would be so dumb as to post photos and use his real name though.

Scammers...live and learn I suppose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, </p>
<p>My experience occurred a few years ago, but at the time I did manage to speak to him over the phone and threaten police action and criminal prosecution (empty threats obviously). I recall his voice clearly and couldn&#8217;t figure out what type of accent he had. He definitely was not American&#8230;the accent was just foreign&#8230;Indian almost. I remember him trying to avoid the conversation saying that he needed to travel to Singapore or something weird like that.</p>
<p>Yes I&#8217;ve Googled his name many times and have tried to figure out his identity but I can&#8217;t say for sure that one of those links is definitely him. I highly doubt he would be so dumb as to post photos and use his real name though.</p>
<p>Scammers&#8230;live and learn I suppose.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.moneybluebook.com/how-i-got-scammed-by-a-seller-on-alibaba/#comment-17484</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as i know, there are few or even many articles about deviansyah on the GOOGLE search. These are for example:

www.jakartaphotoclub.com/public/deviansyah/profile.php
www.fotografer.net/isi/galeri/index.php?xxthn=2007&#38;page=11016
www.korantempo.com/korantempo/2007/07/17/Metro/krn,20070717,55.id.html

do you think you got scammed by photographer Raymond??? Exactly !! There are few names or even hundreds of deviansyah on the GOOGLE search. Which one is the right one?? each information should be responsible. otherwise others will be a victim of wrong information. Internet could using for free. But since its Free must be responsible also</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as i know, there are few or even many articles about deviansyah on the GOOGLE search. These are for example:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.jakartaphotoclub.com/public/deviansyah/profile.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.jakartaphotoclub.com/public/deviansyah/profile.php</a><br />
<a href="http://www.fotografer.net/isi/galeri/index.php?xxthn=2007&amp;page=11016" rel="nofollow">http://www.fotografer.net/isi/galeri/index.php?xxthn=2007&amp;page=11016</a><br />
<a href="http://www.korantempo.com/korantempo/2007/07/17/Metro/krn,20070717,55.id.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.korantempo.com/korantempo/2007/07/17/Metro/krn,20070717,55.id.html</a></p>
<p>do you think you got scammed by photographer Raymond??? Exactly !! There are few names or even hundreds of deviansyah on the GOOGLE search. Which one is the right one?? each information should be responsible. otherwise others will be a victim of wrong information. Internet could using for free. But since its Free must be responsible also</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raymond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vinnie, 

I highly doubt that the individual you spoke to was from France. Most established European countries and the United States have little tolerance for scam activity and would crack down. I'm 99.99% positive your scammer is probably from Eastern Europe (Romania, Ukraine), Africa (English speaking countries like Nigeria), or South East Asia (Indonesia).

Unfortunately, there is little that you can do if the scammer is actually from one of those countries. I've heard of people visiting those countries to confront the scammer - not a good idea though. Oftentimes the experience can prove dangerous or fatal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vinnie, </p>
<p>I highly doubt that the individual you spoke to was from France. Most established European countries and the United States have little tolerance for scam activity and would crack down. I&#8217;m 99.99% positive your scammer is probably from Eastern Europe (Romania, Ukraine), Africa (English speaking countries like Nigeria), or South East Asia (Indonesia).</p>
<p>Unfortunately, there is little that you can do if the scammer is actually from one of those countries. I&#8217;ve heard of people visiting those countries to confront the scammer - not a good idea though. Oftentimes the experience can prove dangerous or fatal.</p>
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		<title>By: Vinnie</title>
		<link>http://www.moneybluebook.com/how-i-got-scammed-by-a-seller-on-alibaba/#comment-17480</link>
		<dc:creator>Vinnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Recently it's not only African country which we should aware. I've got scammed also by French guy, called Cyril. I pay the deposit money, but he never sending my order. Anyone could help me? He's living in French</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recently it&#8217;s not only African country which we should aware. I&#8217;ve got scammed also by French guy, called Cyril. I pay the deposit money, but he never sending my order. Anyone could help me? He&#8217;s living in French</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raymond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Victor,

Feel free to post your e-mail conversations with this particular scammer - perhaps the most relevant segments at least. He's a pretty convincing guy I'll give that to him. Of course, I was blinded by greed at the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Victor,</p>
<p>Feel free to post your e-mail conversations with this particular scammer - perhaps the most relevant segments at least. He&#8217;s a pretty convincing guy I&#8217;ll give that to him. Of course, I was blinded by greed at the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Victor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard,
I could publish here my e-mail "conversation" with so-called
Deviansyah Kurniawan Manoch. There are many signs and signals that this is scam in every document that he sent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard,<br />
I could publish here my e-mail &#8220;conversation&#8221; with so-called<br />
Deviansyah Kurniawan Manoch. There are many signs and signals that this is scam in every document that he sent.</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond</title>
		<link>http://www.moneybluebook.com/how-i-got-scammed-by-a-seller-on-alibaba/#comment-17240</link>
		<dc:creator>Raymond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard,

I actually find it sort of funny your suggestion that I am somehow trying to "corner" someone with my "fake information". All I am trying to accomplish here is warn others of what had personally happened to me in the past by one unscrupulous online scammer from Alibaba.com

No one has to listen or heed my warnings or advice, but I'm trying to do a public service warning in case the same scam attempt ever happens again to anyone else in the future. By all accounts reflected in the comments, it appears others have fell for this particular scammer's tricks and skills of persuasion as well. 

I'm hoping that those who search in Google or Yahoo for the names: Deviansyah Kurniawan Manoch or Deviansyah K. Manoch will find their way here so that they can be forewarned. 

You are correct that there are plenty of fake information sources and misleading articles online - but that's why it's important to use your own judgment as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard,</p>
<p>I actually find it sort of funny your suggestion that I am somehow trying to &#8220;corner&#8221; someone with my &#8220;fake information&#8221;. All I am trying to accomplish here is warn others of what had personally happened to me in the past by one unscrupulous online scammer from Alibaba.com</p>
<p>No one has to listen or heed my warnings or advice, but I&#8217;m trying to do a public service warning in case the same scam attempt ever happens again to anyone else in the future. By all accounts reflected in the comments, it appears others have fell for this particular scammer&#8217;s tricks and skills of persuasion as well. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m hoping that those who search in Google or Yahoo for the names: Deviansyah Kurniawan Manoch or Deviansyah K. Manoch will find their way here so that they can be forewarned. </p>
<p>You are correct that there are plenty of fake information sources and misleading articles online - but that&#8217;s why it&#8217;s important to use your own judgment as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.moneybluebook.com/how-i-got-scammed-by-a-seller-on-alibaba/#comment-17238</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing i would like to asking, What is the validity of the whole words here? How could i know if the person written those article really got scam? Or perhaps it's just they're trying to cornering somebody else? 

You know, internet are using for free and people could saying a lots of things in internet. How to prevent from fake information? Somebody else please answer this questions. Who's going to responsible for all of the article written on the internet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing i would like to asking, What is the validity of the whole words here? How could i know if the person written those article really got scam? Or perhaps it&#8217;s just they&#8217;re trying to cornering somebody else? </p>
<p>You know, internet are using for free and people could saying a lots of things in internet. How to prevent from fake information? Somebody else please answer this questions. Who&#8217;s going to responsible for all of the article written on the internet?</p>
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